The next next war

It's never too early to start thinking about the shape of the next war, even if the current one is still being fought. At the end of May 1945 -- only three weeks after V-E day and over two months before V-J day -- some discussion on the subject was held in the House of Lords by interested peers. On 29 May, Lord Vansittart proposed an international commission of scientists to monitor Germany to make sure it did not develop or use 'any scientific discovery or invention considered dangerous to the safety of mankind'.1

He said we were dealing with a periodically homicidal nation, and unless we kept a firm hand on them we should have V10 in less than 10 years. There had been an insufficient answer to V 1, and no answer at all to V 2 except the old-fashioned one of conquering the sites. Science had not given the answer. The second world war had been within measuring distance of the atom bomb. Where would the third begin? We had had the very devil of a lesson, and it would be our own fault if we had another.2

He also called for something like 'a world inspectorate in order to guard against the development or over-development of secret devices',3 which could lead to 'a secret armaments race of a far more terrifying character' than any that had gone before.

Vansittart was clearly disturbed by the effects of the German V1 and V2 missiles on London. At this time, London was (along with Antwerp) the only great city in the world with experience of missile warfare -- the last one had fallen in March 1945. V2s in particular were very unsettling, as no defences and no warnings were then possible for objects travelling on a ballistic trajectory four times faster than the speed of sound.

But wait a second. Vansittart also said that 'The second world war had been within measuring distance of the atom bomb' (emphasis added). This is two months before Hiroshima, over a month before Trinity even! The Manhattan Project was extraordinarily secret (to everyone but the Soviets, that is). I doubt know if Vansittart even knew about it -- he had been permament under-secretary of the Foreign Office from 1930 to 1938, but then was kept out of the loop for the next three years until he actually retired. Even if he did know about the Manhattan Project, he shouldn't have been talking about it; and even if he did talk about it, the censors shouldn't have let the newspapers print it. So I think he must have been referring to some public revelation about the German bomb programme, the remnants of which had recently fallen into Allied hands. But if so, The Times itself doesn't seem to have reported it, and I don't know exactly what the public may have been told.

The following day, Lord Brabazon (a pioneer aviator and, more recently, Minister of Aircraft Production) further speculated on where the V1 and V2 might lead. He thought that in the immediate future, there was little danger of war, as its horrors would be fresh in everyone's minds, but

It was after 10 years that troubles would occur. The techniques of rocket propulsion would go on. It would be chased by scientists of different nations, and some would chase the subject with revenge in their hearts. He [Brabazon] could well imagine some Power roping off a few miles of their territory, sinking what were nominally mine shafts, making the parts of these instruments all over the country, and getting all ready for a really efficient V 2 attack upon their selected enemy. When they were about to attack no navy, army, or air force would be apparent, but they would have the power latent to launch an attack on the great cities of their enemy and the power to devastate the moment they declared war. Before armies could be possibly assembled, and still less march, the great cities of the enemy would be destroyed.4

So the knock-out blow is already being adapted for the missile age -- and now you don't even need an air force to deliver one! Brabazon was evidently impressed by the underground V2 factory at Dora, and worried that such a facility would enable an agressor to build a massive missile force in secret. So like Vansittart, he wanted 'some international committee with power to enter into works anywhere in the world, to see what they were up to'5 -- or else Britain and the United States had to make sure that they kept well ahead of the rest of the world in missile technology.

Another peer revisited the possibility of atomic warfare; he hoped that the big United Nations conference at San Francisco then underway might take up the matter.

The EARL of DARNLEY said that this method of warfare might not only destroy humanity but also the globe on which humanity resided. The atomic bomb, which was almost ready at the end of the war, might in a generation accomplish even that. One as big as a man's hand could have destroyed the whole of a city as large as London. The war of the future might only last a few minutes, and as it was the fashion to make war without warning the whole thing might be over before anyone was aware that it was taking place. The fighters would be a band of troglodyte alchemists who would deal out death to millions of people. From now on the chemists of the world in every country would be in a race to improve these hellish machines, and it needed little imagination to see that the end of this mad race could coincide with the end of the human race.6

Again, the knock-out blow is being redeployed for a new warfare. The old-fashioned kind, fought with bombers and high explosive and lasting days or weeks, is superceded by an atomic version, lasting only minutes, killing millions of people and possibly destroying the planet.7

So, German ballistic missiles plus (I think) German atomic bomb research equals an early, pre-Hiroshima preview of the atomic war fears that became so prevalent from the 1950s on. And this is not in America, but in Britain. (In fact, it seems almost inevitable that this should be so.) I have often speculated here on the parallels between the aerial age's knock-out blow and the atomic age's apocalyptic scenarios; it seems that this is one point at which they were not parallel but actually convergent, where the one began to turn into the other.

  1. The Times, 30 May 1945, p. 8.
  2. Ibid.
  3. Ibid.
  4. The Times, 31 May 1945, p. 8.
  5. Ibid.
  6. Ibid.
  7. A huge exaggeration of course, as is the claim that an atomic bomb 'as big as a man's hand' could destroy a city -- which all serves to confirm that Darnley, at least, wasn't getting his information direct from the Manhattan Project.
  1. Alan Allport’s avatar

    I have seen newspaper reports of the same debate that mention, in a casual way, the possibility of an atom bomb. I have to assume that the speakers were in a state of complete ignorance regarding the Manhattan Project and were basing their comments on some of the speculative discussions about atomic warfare from the prewar period, plus perhaps rumors about a German program.

  2. Brett Holman’s avatar

    I agree that those talking about atomic bombs were most unlikely to have known of the Manhattan Project. But it's interesting to note that those who DIDN'T mention atomic bombs DID know of Manhattan, or at least the existence of an Allied bomb project -- Brabazon from his time at MAP, where (I think) Tube Alloys started; and Lord Cherwell AKA Frederick Lindemann, who was of course Churchill's most trusted scientific advisor (I didn't mention him in the post; he replied on behalf of the government on both occasions). See here, for example.

    Based on the phrasing used in the above quotes, it seems to me more likely that they are drawing more on some knowledge of the German bomb project, than pre-war discussions: atomic bombs are referred to quite casually, as though the listener ought to be aware of them (and while there were a few -- not many -- atomic bombs in pre-war SF, how many peers of the realm would have read about them, or remembered what they were in 1945?); and the statement is also made that they were something which were very nearly developed in the war, which is not something you could just assume from pre-war discussions. Given the context of the discussions about how to control German science and prevent revenge missile attacks, it all very strongly implies that some stories about a German bomb were floating about. But still, without seeing those stories I can't be sure.

  3. Alan Allport’s avatar

    I just remembered that I posted something about this at Cliopatria ages ago. Here is the excerpt from the article in the Daily Herald, May 31, 1945:

    HRS Phillpott: Globe-Busting Bomb -- It Was Coming.

    "The 'Atomic Bomb'. You have never heard it, and you never will, because, according to Lord Darnley, if it ever drops it will destroy not only humanity but the globe itself.

    "Lord Darnley was speaking in the House of Lords last night, and declared that this 'Atomic Bomb' was 'three-quarters in preparation' at the end of the [European] war.

    "'If what we are told about the atom is true', he said, 'every atom in the world might be disintegrated and the world would disappear."

    (This would be Esme Ivo Bligh, ninth earl, and the son incidentally of Ivo Francis Walter Bligh, former president of the MCC and Kent County Cricket Club and the first English captain of an Ashes match with Australia.)

  4. Brett Holman’s avatar

    Oh neat, thanks! I found the original post here. The comments thread is also interesting -- had I been reading Cliopatria back then (just before I started I think), I could have confirmed that Meanjin is indeed an Australian journal, published by my own university in fact; and also that spring in the southern hemisphere starts in September, so the poem "Atomic Bomb" published in the Spring 1945 issue was almost certainly written after Hiroshima :)

    If you are still interested in pre-Hiroshima references to atomic bombs, Alan, the novels I know of are listed in a previous post. In the Times digital archive I found just two references prior to the Lords debate. One was from a September 1939 letter to the editor and was in relation to Hitler's threat of an unspecified secret weapon; another was from the early 1930s and was the name of a racehorse which was scratched!

  5. nc’s avatar

    The secret was the Manhattan Project, not the general concept of the atomic bomb. William L. Laurence, science writer of the New York Times, who broke the story of uranium fission and neutron chain reactions on the front page in 1939, having pestered Enrico Fermi at Columbia University to predict how long atom bombs would take to be developed, gives a very detailed and actually brilliant analysis of the secrecy and censorship during WWII in his 1959 book, Men and Atoms.

    Laurence also gave away a detailed discussion of the neutron chain reaction uranium-235 fission principles for the atomic bomb in his 5 May 1940 front page New York Times article, "Vast Power Source In Atomic Energy Opened by Science," and then again in his 7 September 1940 Saturday Evening Post article, "The Atom Gives Up", which was widely discussed by the media world wide. Laurence emphasized that uranium fission had been discovered in 1938 in Germany by Hahn and others, and was a military explosive threat. he wanted America to get the bomb first.

    In Men and Atoms (1959) he explains that after he was recruited to the Manhattan Project, General Groves's security officer sternly showed him a captured Werner Heisenberg scrap book containing his articles covered with cellophane, with German translations of the text on facing pages (from the "Alsos" project to document German atomic progress).

    The bomb had also been widely discussed pre-war by H. G. Wells (The World Set Free) and even Winston Churchill in a 1925 newspaper article (reprinted in his pre-war book, Thoughts and Adventures). Laurence wrote a very detailed article on the atomic bomb based on interviews with Fermi and others. None gave away much, but he pieced the bits together from many interviews with different scientists to get an alarming picture of Germany racing for a bomb having discovered fission, while America procrastinated. Richard Rhodes in The Making of the Atomic Bomb ignores Churchill's 1925 article when discussing his apathy towards the bomb research during WWII. Churchill could see that the cost and time of making an atomic bombs exceeded that of dropping an equivalent amount of non-nuclear explosives and incendiaries. Given the equivalent megatonnage two-thirds power scaling law, there is no cost benefit to nuclear weapons over conventional weapons. Nuclear weapons just save money in requiring smaller delivery systems than an equivalent amount of conventional weapons.

  6. Brett Holman’s avatar

    Yes, you're right that the idea of the atomic bomb was already out in the public domain by 1945; I'd already discussed this in a post linked from this one. But that is not to the point here. My question was: why at this specific point in time, at the end of May 1945, were people suddenly saying that an atomic bomb was on the brink of being developed? That Wells predicted one in 1914 or Laurence wrote an article about it in 1940 does not explain this. I'm still not sure what does. A garbled press report of the German project is still my best bet (the Earl of Darnley said 'The atomic bomb, so the Press tells us, was in a state of three-quarters preparation at the end of the war'), but I haven't yet been able to locate it.

    Some of your other claims are a bit odd (leaving aside your unconventional ideas about physics). Churchill was hardly apathetic about the atomic bomb; he was the one to order the start of both British projects (the wartime atomic bomb project and the Cold War thermonuclear bomb project), and access to nuclear data and technology was a major theme of his diplomacy with the Americans. I'm not sure why you think Churchill's 1924 (not, as is sometimes reported, 1925) article 'Shall we all commit suicide?' to be significant either for Churchill's thinking on nuclear weapons or more generally. It's not even clear that he is referring to the atomic bomb: he doesn't use the term or mention radioactivity. Sandwiched in between a very brief discussion of death rays and robot bombers, he says:

    Then there are Explosives. Have we reached the end? Has Science turned its last page on them? May there not be methods of using explosive energy incomparably more intense than anything heretofore discovered? Might not a bomb no bigger than an orange be found to possess a secret power to destroy a whole block of buildings -- nay, to concentrate the force of a thousand tons of cordite and blast a township at a stroke?

    Of course, he could well be referring to atomic bombs; but I think he is hedging his bets and is talking about them as well as more powerful conventional explosives. He wasn't a scientist, after all, and he was not making a scientific prediction. (If he was, he was wrong anyway: you can't build a nuke the size of an orange.)

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