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		<title>By: JDK</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2010/01/11/dreams-of-a-colder-war/comment-page-1/#comment-127413</link>
		<dc:creator>JDK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always liked that poster.  But maybe the milk bottles were actually safe?

If I understand the most entertaining &lt;i&gt;Mythbusters&lt;/i&gt; tests with rifles and the &lt;i&gt;Blue Angels&lt;/i&gt; programme correctly, sonic booms aren&#039;t usually the &lt;i&gt;direct&lt;/i&gt; cause of broken glass, but the pressure wave actually distorts any chamber (such as a room) and flexes things like window frames, opens cupboards, moves objects with the occasional, but not inevitable, result of breaking glass as a secondary effect.

Yes, I&#039;m sure most people aren&#039;t interested in the distinction either. 

But then maybe this was a Convair and USAF pre-emptive strike to avoid the class action the US Government faced after playing with bangs in &lt;i&gt;Operation Bongo II&lt;/i&gt; (you couldn&#039;t make it up) over Oklahoma city in 1964?  That is a fascinating case study (involving century series fighters, but not F-102s) which addresses a number of questions raised in Brett&#039;s cool post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always liked that poster.  But maybe the milk bottles were actually safe?</p>
<p>If I understand the most entertaining <i>Mythbusters</i> tests with rifles and the <i>Blue Angels</i> programme correctly, sonic booms aren't usually the <i>direct</i> cause of broken glass, but the pressure wave actually distorts any chamber (such as a room) and flexes things like window frames, opens cupboards, moves objects with the occasional, but not inevitable, result of breaking glass as a secondary effect.</p>
<p>Yes, I'm sure most people aren't interested in the distinction either. </p>
<p>But then maybe this was a Convair and USAF pre-emptive strike to avoid the class action the US Government faced after playing with bangs in <i>Operation Bongo II</i> (you couldn't make it up) over Oklahoma city in 1964?  That is a fascinating case study (involving century series fighters, but not F-102s) which addresses a number of questions raised in Brett's cool post.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brett

Sorry about staying away ... had a very busy year that seemed to flit by in a flash (or a boom perhaps).

Chemtrails!  At Christmas a year ago (i.e. 2008) I was earbashed for ages about that ... by someone (f) I thought would know better.

Ooooh ... maybe she does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brett</p>
<p>Sorry about staying away ... had a very busy year that seemed to flit by in a flash (or a boom perhaps).</p>
<p>Chemtrails!  At Christmas a year ago (i.e. 2008) I was earbashed for ages about that ... by someone (f) I thought would know better.</p>
<p>Ooooh ... maybe she does?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Allport</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Allport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil: along the same lines: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/news/northeast_stunned_by_freak_january&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Northeast Stunned By Freak January Snowfall&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil: along the same lines: <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/northeast_stunned_by_freak_january" rel="nofollow">Northeast Stunned By Freak January Snowfall</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kia ora, Don! Long time no see.

I wouldn&#039;t call what we had glorious; the overnight minimum was 30.6 degrees at a bit before 9 am -- equaling the record for Melbourne. And it&#039;s something we will have to get used to, unfortunately.

To tie the weather and the sonic boom topics together, there was some public concern in the 1950s that &#039;scientists&#039; were inadvertently changing the weather, through nuclear tests, supersonic jets, and so on. (The &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkskeptic.tribe.net/thread/d3be6b05-28b7-47a8-b7ee-3abe55e4cbc7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1954 Washington windscreen pitting panic&lt;/a&gt; could be an extreme version of that.) Today we have chemtrails and (much more legitimately, of course) global warming. Plus ça change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora, Don! Long time no see.</p>
<p>I wouldn't call what we had glorious; the overnight minimum was 30.6 degrees at a bit before 9 am -- equaling the record for Melbourne. And it's something we will have to get used to, unfortunately.</p>
<p>To tie the weather and the sonic boom topics together, there was some public concern in the 1950s that 'scientists' were inadvertently changing the weather, through nuclear tests, supersonic jets, and so on. (The <a href="http://talkskeptic.tribe.net/thread/d3be6b05-28b7-47a8-b7ee-3abe55e4cbc7" rel="nofollow">1954 Washington windscreen pitting panic</a> could be an extreme version of that.) Today we have chemtrails and (much more legitimately, of course) global warming. Plus ça change.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Datson</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2010/01/11/dreams-of-a-colder-war/comment-page-1/#comment-127008</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Datson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this weather sounds positively glorious compared with what we&#039;re currently &#039;enjoying&#039; in Oxfordshire.  Snow on the ground for the last week.  Overnight temps down to 15 below (Celsius, admittedly) and day temps struggling to get above freezing.

All very unusual for England.  The only thing that can be relied on is the press furore: &#039;Why oh Why aren&#039;t we better prepared?&#039;  Like Sweden for example.  Cos it only happens once every ten or fifteen years!  Unlike Sweden, for example.

Perhaps a few sonic booms would shake the weather up?

Roll on spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this weather sounds positively glorious compared with what we're currently 'enjoying' in Oxfordshire.  Snow on the ground for the last week.  Overnight temps down to 15 below (Celsius, admittedly) and day temps struggling to get above freezing.</p>
<p>All very unusual for England.  The only thing that can be relied on is the press furore: 'Why oh Why aren't we better prepared?'  Like Sweden for example.  Cos it only happens once every ten or fifteen years!  Unlike Sweden, for example.</p>
<p>Perhaps a few sonic booms would shake the weather up?</p>
<p>Roll on spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windy &amp; cool here in Wellington ... el Nino ... pah!

Contemplating the the point of the ad, seems to be an apology [for the racket].  

Along those lines there was a trans-continental record breaking flight by a another Convair, the B-58 Hustler, that was, IIRC, well advertised to towns and people along the flight line ... so they could pop out and listen, and watch the streaking vapour trail. Very exciting.  I&#039;ve watched a youTube vid of it, probably still there.

All the best Brett in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windy &amp; cool here in Wellington ... el Nino ... pah!</p>
<p>Contemplating the the point of the ad, seems to be an apology [for the racket].  </p>
<p>Along those lines there was a trans-continental record breaking flight by a another Convair, the B-58 Hustler, that was, IIRC, well advertised to towns and people along the flight line ... so they could pop out and listen, and watch the streaking vapour trail. Very exciting.  I've watched a youTube vid of it, probably still there.</p>
<p>All the best Brett in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Lund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Lund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mild and rainy. That&#039;s Vancouver for you ....but it is melting the snow on the lower venues. How will the freestyle snowboarders kill themselves if there&#039;s no snow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mild and rainy. That's Vancouver for you ....but it is melting the snow on the lower venues. How will the freestyle snowboarders kill themselves if there's no snow?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Allport</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Allport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It is officially too darn hot today: 43° C.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s 31° here in Philadelphia - though in our case, that&#039;s 31° Farenheit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is officially too darn hot today: 43° C.</i></p>
<p>It's 31° here in Philadelphia - though in our case, that's 31° Farenheit.</p>
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