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	<title>Comments on: Trust but verify</title>
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	<description>Airpower and British society, 1908-1941</description>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corvus:

Yes, you&#039;re quite right about yellow journalism, which goes against my argument that competition between newspapers necessarily means more scepticism and fact-checking. But I&#039;ll stand by my comment that the US didn&#039;t have &#039;many&#039; competing national newspapers, at least when compared with Britain. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelprestype/news/diffnews/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; a list of the the major national newspapers: I count 31 for 1913. And it was a much smaller market, in terms of both population and geography, which was dominated by the London press (a paper printed in London in the early hours of the morning could be on sale in Edinburgh by the afternoon or maybe even noon). Anyway, that&#039;s partly why I expected that wholesale fabrication wouldn&#039;t happen.

Dominic:

Thanks, it&#039;s true that there will be gaps for many reasons (and not all of it is up on the web yet). And it&#039;s a small sample anyway so no firm conclusions can be drawn.

Dimitrios:

Very cool! It&#039;s probably unlikely to air down here but I&#039;ll keep an eye out for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corvus:</p>
<p>Yes, you're quite right about yellow journalism, which goes against my argument that competition between newspapers necessarily means more scepticism and fact-checking. But I'll stand by my comment that the US didn't have 'many' competing national newspapers, at least when compared with Britain. <a href="http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelprestype/news/diffnews/index.html" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> a list of the the major national newspapers: I count 31 for 1913. And it was a much smaller market, in terms of both population and geography, which was dominated by the London press (a paper printed in London in the early hours of the morning could be on sale in Edinburgh by the afternoon or maybe even noon). Anyway, that's partly why I expected that wholesale fabrication wouldn't happen.</p>
<p>Dominic:</p>
<p>Thanks, it's true that there will be gaps for many reasons (and not all of it is up on the web yet). And it's a small sample anyway so no firm conclusions can be drawn.</p>
<p>Dimitrios:</p>
<p>Very cool! It's probably unlikely to air down here but I'll keep an eye out for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitrios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimitrios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings to mind an episode of a show on Canadian television recently- &quot;The Murdoch Mysteries&quot;, set in 1890&#039;s Toronto.

In the farmlands northeast of Toronto, various rustics are seeing UFOs. There is a death, seemingly from an attempted abduction, and much speculation about visitors from Mars. The investigation by the main characters of the series (members of Victorian Toronto&#039;s police force) is brought to a halt by order of the Canadian Prime Minister. It turns out the stories of Martian spaceships are cover for a secret military airship project run jointly by the United States and the British Empire, worried about Germany&#039;s airship capacity. Soon after the project is exposed, the researchers disappear. The characters speculate on where the airship project has been moved to...perhaps the deserts of California, or New Mexico...

An amusing little entertainment, but its fun to see turn of the century airship concerns reflected in TV pop culture today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings to mind an episode of a show on Canadian television recently- "The Murdoch Mysteries", set in 1890's Toronto.</p>
<p>In the farmlands northeast of Toronto, various rustics are seeing UFOs. There is a death, seemingly from an attempted abduction, and much speculation about visitors from Mars. The investigation by the main characters of the series (members of Victorian Toronto's police force) is brought to a halt by order of the Canadian Prime Minister. It turns out the stories of Martian spaceships are cover for a secret military airship project run jointly by the United States and the British Empire, worried about Germany's airship capacity. Soon after the project is exposed, the researchers disappear. The characters speculate on where the airship project has been moved to...perhaps the deserts of California, or New Mexico...</p>
<p>An amusing little entertainment, but its fun to see turn of the century airship concerns reflected in TV pop culture today.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic Temple</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2009/01/20/trust-but-verify/comment-page-1/#comment-95765</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic Temple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found that the census information seems to be rather lacking, having searched for both my own and my wifes relatives (names, ages &amp; locations known) to no avail, it came as rather a surprise. I can&#039;t imagine that these families would have avoided the census (if indeed that was possible), so where are they? I don`t think that absence from the census is necessarily absense of existence, if that is any help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've found that the census information seems to be rather lacking, having searched for both my own and my wifes relatives (names, ages &amp; locations known) to no avail, it came as rather a surprise. I can't imagine that these families would have avoided the census (if indeed that was possible), so where are they? I don`t think that absence from the census is necessarily absense of existence, if that is any help.</p>
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		<title>By: Corvus Munnin</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2009/01/20/trust-but-verify/comment-page-1/#comment-95749</link>
		<dc:creator>Corvus Munnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unlike the United States or New Zealand at this time, Britain had many competing national (or at least London) newspapers.&quot; I beg to differ with this statement. More than 10 years previous to 1908, Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst were fierce competitors in the newspaper business in New York. Their battles for circulation between 1895 and 1898 actually gave rise to the term &quot;Yellow Journalism.&quot; The St Louis Post-Dispatch and the San Francisco Examiner were also major circulation US papers in the 19th century, and these cities also were home to numerous, competing papers. In the 1860s, before he was known as Mark Twain, the author Samuel Clemmens worked as a correspondent for several different San Francisco newspapers. These are just a few examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Unlike the United States or New Zealand at this time, Britain had many competing national (or at least London) newspapers." I beg to differ with this statement. More than 10 years previous to 1908, Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst were fierce competitors in the newspaper business in New York. Their battles for circulation between 1895 and 1898 actually gave rise to the term "Yellow Journalism." The St Louis Post-Dispatch and the San Francisco Examiner were also major circulation US papers in the 19th century, and these cities also were home to numerous, competing papers. In the 1860s, before he was known as Mark Twain, the author Samuel Clemmens worked as a correspondent for several different San Francisco newspapers. These are just a few examples.</p>
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