Comments on: A phantom airship? http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-phantom-airship Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:09:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-162516 Brett Holman Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:39:06 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-162516 Thanks, David. It's pretty clear by now that the photo is <em>not</em> of Londesborough Hall. Thanks, David. It's pretty clear by now that the photo is not of Londesborough Hall.

]]> By: David Collop http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-162489 David Collop Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:57:58 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-162489 Having lived in the servants flats at the back of the hall,I can assure you that these photo's were not taken at Londesborough Hall. Having carried out extensive work on the roof's the ones depicted in the prints are totally different to the ones on the hall. Having lived in the servants flats at the back of the hall,I can assure you that these photo's were not taken at Londesborough Hall. Having carried out extensive work on the roof's the ones depicted in the prints are totally different to the ones on the hall.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-95880 Brett Holman Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:39:01 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-95880 Thanks, there are a few more listed <a href="http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6224" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=61464&sid=08239926ab23665de703900640a4d1c3#61464" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Thanks, there are a few more listed here and here.

]]> By: Avinash Machado http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-95675 Avinash Machado Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:43:08 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-95675 Here is an 1909 newspaper article about the NZ Phantom Airship. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=WH19090713.1.5&e=-------10--1----0-all Here is an 1909 newspaper article about the NZ Phantom Airship.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=WH19090713.1.5&e=-------10--1----0-all

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-91205 Brett Holman Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:55:09 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-91205 Giles: Thanks for your comment. You may well be right! When enlarged, that section of the horizon on the right actually doesn't show any countryside, but more roofs. So at least it suggests that the photo was indeed taken in a big city. Roy: Judging from the painting on the <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200272455255" rel="nofollow">beer stein</a> in question, I would say it actually depicts LZ3, which first flew in 1906, but was sold to the German Army in 1909, which renamed it ZI (ie Zeppelin I) upon taking it over on 29 June. I don't know if LZ3/Z1 ever flew over Mainz but the Army seems to have flown it about quite a bit -- initially to Metz, which is not too far away -- so it's certainly possible. There's a photo of LZ3 on this <a href="http://gmu.mossiso.com/zeppelin/?page=home&item=3" rel="nofollow">page</a> (second image, click to enlarge). You can see it has a very distinctive tail arrangement, which matches that on the beer stein but not the pictures of LZ4 above. Giles:

Thanks for your comment. You may well be right! When enlarged, that section of the horizon on the right actually doesn't show any countryside, but more roofs. So at least it suggests that the photo was indeed taken in a big city.

Roy:

Judging from the painting on the beer stein in question, I would say it actually depicts LZ3, which first flew in 1906, but was sold to the German Army in 1909, which renamed it ZI (ie Zeppelin I) upon taking it over on 29 June. I don't know if LZ3/Z1 ever flew over Mainz but the Army seems to have flown it about quite a bit -- initially to Metz, which is not too far away -- so it's certainly possible. There's a photo of LZ3 on this page (second image, click to enlarge). You can see it has a very distinctive tail arrangement, which matches that on the beer stein but not the pictures of LZ4 above.

]]> By: Dr. Roy De Selms http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-90431 Dr. Roy De Selms Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:52:57 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-90431 I just purchased a 100 year old beer stein from eBay 200272455255. There is a depiction entitled "Zeppelins Probefahrt" over "Mainz". I believe this stein was made for purchase by onlookers at Mainz Germany on the occassion of the ill-fated, 24-hr. test flight of the LZ4 on 4/5 Aug. 1908. From my experience, I am absolutely certain that the stein is authentic and of the period. The representation is very similar to the above photo and I wonder if anyone could verify that the LZ4 did indeed look like this and if you could point me in the direction of photos of LZ3-8. If you want to visit the eBay site, you will probably have to do it before 12/08. Thanks. I just purchased a 100 year old beer stein from eBay 200272455255. There is a depiction entitled "Zeppelins Probefahrt" over "Mainz". I believe this stein was made for purchase by onlookers at Mainz Germany on the occassion of the ill-fated, 24-hr. test flight of the LZ4 on 4/5 Aug. 1908. From my experience, I am absolutely certain that the stein is authentic and of the period. The representation is very similar to the above photo and I wonder if anyone could verify that the LZ4 did indeed look like this and if you could point me in the direction of photos of LZ3-8. If you want to visit the eBay site, you will probably have to do it before 12/08. Thanks.

]]> By: Giles Camplin http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-90099 Giles Camplin Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:51:37 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-90099 I would suggest this is taken from one of the larger conurbations that LZ4 flew over on its historic attempt to win favour of the German Military authorities with the attempt to make a 24 hour endurance flight on 4/5 August 1908. Its course was from its base at Manzell on Lake Constance along the Rhine valley as far north as Mainz where it turned south towards Stuttgart and met its end near Echterdingen. Perhaps a larger magnification of the little square of open countryside that is visible over the roofs at the right-hand edge of the picture would reveal whether it could be the Rhine valley? Also the sun looks to be pretty much overhead making it more likely to have been taken from one of the towns that the LZ4 passed over near mid-day. I would suggest this is taken from one of the larger conurbations that LZ4 flew over on its historic attempt to win favour of the German Military authorities with the attempt to make a 24 hour endurance flight on 4/5 August 1908. Its course was from its base at Manzell on Lake Constance along the Rhine valley as far north as Mainz where it turned south towards Stuttgart and met its end near Echterdingen. Perhaps a larger magnification of the little square of open countryside that is visible over the roofs at the right-hand edge of the picture would reveal whether it could be the Rhine valley? Also the sun looks to be pretty much overhead making it more likely to have been taken from one of the towns that the LZ4 passed over near mid-day.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-89113 Brett Holman Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:53:26 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-89113 Charlie, I'll pass your comment on to Peter. Charlie, I'll pass your comment on to Peter.

]]> By: Charlie Cantlie http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-88901 Charlie Cantlie Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:18:51 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-88901 I do have some good quality scanned photographs of Londesborough hall taken around 1907 as the hall belonged to my mothers family until 1922/23 to pay death duties when my great uncle , the 3rd Earl of Londesborough died in his early 30's. There was in deed a lake that did exist around the 1900's as I have a photo of it and some other good photos of the house and surrounding areas. I do not know if Peter would be happy for some copies to be made from his collection as I would be interested in having some as I have very few photographs. I do have some good quality scanned photographs of Londesborough hall taken around 1907 as the hall belonged to my mothers family until 1922/23 to pay death duties when my great uncle , the 3rd Earl of Londesborough died in his early 30's. There was in deed a lake that did exist around the 1900's as I have a photo of it and some other good photos of the house and surrounding areas. I do not know if Peter would be happy for some copies to be made from his collection as I would be interested in having some as I have very few photographs.

]]> By: Lester Hawksby http://airminded.org/2008/08/12/a-phantom-airship/comment-page-1/#comment-80975 Lester Hawksby Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:24:42 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=539#comment-80975 Glad to be of some assistance! I'm not all that erudite but photography is one thing I can do. Glad to be of some assistance! I'm not all that erudite but photography is one thing I can do.

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