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	<description>Airpower and British society, 1908-1941</description>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74778</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please let us know what you think, Don, when it&#039;s finally your turn to read it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please let us know what you think, Don, when it&#8217;s finally your turn to read it!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Smith</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74729</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 02:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once we become conscious of something, we see it everywhere.  I&#039;d not heard of this book until reading this blog, then I saw a review in a magazine, then in the newspaper ...  and the reviews were both positive, along the lines of [paraphrase] &quot;an interesting new twist&quot;.  

More than that, I followed JAIME&#039;s advice and went to my library.  I&#039;m 5th in the reserve line!  In the absence of this blog I might have encountered an interesting new twist in high demand.  Hmmmm.

I know, I know .... populism vs historical balance ... always a tough one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once we become conscious of something, we see it everywhere.  I&#8217;d not heard of this book until reading this blog, then I saw a review in a magazine, then in the newspaper &#8230;  and the reviews were both positive, along the lines of [paraphrase] &#8220;an interesting new twist&#8221;.  </p>
<p>More than that, I followed JAIME&#8217;s advice and went to my library.  I&#8217;m 5th in the reserve line!  In the absence of this blog I might have encountered an interesting new twist in high demand.  Hmmmm.</p>
<p>I know, I know &#8230;. populism vs historical balance &#8230; always a tough one.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74675</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 04:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True ... but I tend to be of the opinion that any book worth reading is a book worth owning! Though admittedly I&#039;ve had to compromise over the last couple of years as the number of books I have to read has gone up and my disposable income has gone down ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True &#8230; but I tend to be of the opinion that any book worth reading is a book worth owning! Though admittedly I&#8217;ve had to compromise over the last couple of years as the number of books I have to read has gone up and my disposable income has gone down &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JAIME</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74644</link>
		<dc:creator>JAIME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here ’spare’ would mean that I can’t think of a book I’d rather spend the money on :)


There&#039;s always the local library - that&#039;s how I intend to read it.  Of course, time is as at much of a premium as $$ for me.

(BTW - love the blog)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here ’spare’ would mean that I can’t think of a book I’d rather spend the money on :)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always the local library &#8211; that&#8217;s how I intend to read it.  Of course, time is as at much of a premium as $$ for me.</p>
<p>(BTW &#8211; love the blog)</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74584</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 04:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here  &#039;spare&#039; would mean that I can&#039;t think of a book I&#039;d rather spend the money on :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here  &#8217;spare&#8217; would mean that I can&#8217;t think of a book I&#8217;d rather spend the money on :)</p>
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		<title>By: George Shaner</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74555</link>
		<dc:creator>George Shaner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...a spare $35 lying around;&quot; what a concept!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;a spare $35 lying around;&#8221; what a concept!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74528</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I love raw primary materials — use them all the time in teaching and writing — but selection itself is a form of argument, distortion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course it is, but who is saying otherwise?  I don&#039;t see that Baker has anywhere claimed to have written history as it really was. The opposite, in fact, judging by the Amazon interview I linked to above. As a novelist one would hope that he doesn&#039;t need historians to teach him about the concept of subjectivity! :)

I just think the book sounds a whole lot more interesting if it&#039;s about media reception, than if it&#039;s about &quot;the origins of the Second World War&quot; which is what I &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; think when I originally looked at it and rolled my eyes at it. It&#039;s probably still not very good even on that basis. But I&#039;m not going to defend a book I haven&#039;t actually read (or even re-flipped through since writing the post) any longer! If you haven&#039;t already, I do recommend that you read Paul&#039;s posts -- they&#039;re very interesting and I likely haven&#039;t done justice to his argument here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I love raw primary materials — use them all the time in teaching and writing — but selection itself is a form of argument, distortion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course it is, but who is saying otherwise?  I don&#8217;t see that Baker has anywhere claimed to have written history as it really was. The opposite, in fact, judging by the Amazon interview I linked to above. As a novelist one would hope that he doesn&#8217;t need historians to teach him about the concept of subjectivity! :)</p>
<p>I just think the book sounds a whole lot more interesting if it&#8217;s about media reception, than if it&#8217;s about &#8220;the origins of the Second World War&#8221; which is what I <em>did</em> think when I originally looked at it and rolled my eyes at it. It&#8217;s probably still not very good even on that basis. But I&#8217;m not going to defend a book I haven&#8217;t actually read (or even re-flipped through since writing the post) any longer! If you haven&#8217;t already, I do recommend that you read Paul&#8217;s posts &#8212; they&#8217;re very interesting and I likely haven&#8217;t done justice to his argument here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dresner</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dresner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything about the past, in prose, is &quot;History&quot; as far as the general audience is concerned. In this case, it&#039;s a primary-source based work, which makes it even more appropriate, which appears to be attempting to revise our understanding of events by deconstructing them. Nothing terribly original about that.

The description you quote is very revealing: the idea that the original readers of these articles had no context for them, that they didn&#039;t organize their experiences in some meaningful fashion, is fairly absurd, bordering on the misanthropic. The assumption that all articles carried equal weight, that the juxtapositions he sees make any sense to a contemporary reader, are just unsustainable without context. 

I love raw primary materials -- use them all the time in teaching and writing -- but selection itself is a form of argument, distortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything about the past, in prose, is &#8220;History&#8221; as far as the general audience is concerned. In this case, it&#8217;s a primary-source based work, which makes it even more appropriate, which appears to be attempting to revise our understanding of events by deconstructing them. Nothing terribly original about that.</p>
<p>The description you quote is very revealing: the idea that the original readers of these articles had no context for them, that they didn&#8217;t organize their experiences in some meaningful fashion, is fairly absurd, bordering on the misanthropic. The assumption that all articles carried equal weight, that the juxtapositions he sees make any sense to a contemporary reader, are just unsustainable without context. </p>
<p>I love raw primary materials &#8212; use them all the time in teaching and writing &#8212; but selection itself is a form of argument, distortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74440</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that may be a good analogy. A sort of agitprop. But I don&#039;t know that I agree that it&#039;s  Baker&#039;s &#039;fault&#039;. The very fact that the form of the book is so unconventional for a work of history should tip us off that it&#039;s not in fact history, shouldn&#039;t it? -- any more than &lt;a href=&quot;http://airminded.org/2007/05/28/guernica-iv/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Guernica&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is a literal depiction of the air raid on the town of the same name. And he has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Human-Smoke-Beginnings-World-Civilization/dp/1416567844&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;made it clear&lt;/a&gt; that he&#039;s rejecting (or at least avoiding) the normal modes of historical inquiry:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It helps sometimes to look at an action--compassionate, murderous, confessional, obfuscatory--out of context: as something that somebody did one day. The one-day-ness of history is often lost in traditional histories, because paragraphs and sections are organized by theme: attack, counterattack, argument, counterargument. That&#039;s a reasonable way to proceed, but I rejected it here for several reasons. First, because it fails to convey the hugeness and confusion of the time as it was experienced by people who lived through it. And, second, because I wanted the reader to have to form, and then jettison, and then re-form, explanations and mini-narratives along the way--as I did, and as did a newspaper reader in, say, New York City in September, 1941.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suppose the question is, what is &lt;em&gt;Human Smoke&lt;/em&gt; doing in the history section of bookshops at all? Art Spiegelman&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Maus&lt;/em&gt; isn&#039;t usually to be found there, though it arguably should be ...

Having said that, if historians are asked to review such a book, of course they are going to critique its view of history!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that may be a good analogy. A sort of agitprop. But I don&#8217;t know that I agree that it&#8217;s  Baker&#8217;s &#8216;fault&#8217;. The very fact that the form of the book is so unconventional for a work of history should tip us off that it&#8217;s not in fact history, shouldn&#8217;t it? &#8212; any more than <a href="http://airminded.org/2007/05/28/guernica-iv/" rel="nofollow"><em>Guernica</em></a> is a literal depiction of the air raid on the town of the same name. And he has <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Human-Smoke-Beginnings-World-Civilization/dp/1416567844" rel="nofollow">made it clear</a> that he&#8217;s rejecting (or at least avoiding) the normal modes of historical inquiry:</p>
<blockquote><p>It helps sometimes to look at an action&#8211;compassionate, murderous, confessional, obfuscatory&#8211;out of context: as something that somebody did one day. The one-day-ness of history is often lost in traditional histories, because paragraphs and sections are organized by theme: attack, counterattack, argument, counterargument. That&#8217;s a reasonable way to proceed, but I rejected it here for several reasons. First, because it fails to convey the hugeness and confusion of the time as it was experienced by people who lived through it. And, second, because I wanted the reader to have to form, and then jettison, and then re-form, explanations and mini-narratives along the way&#8211;as I did, and as did a newspaper reader in, say, New York City in September, 1941.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose the question is, what is <em>Human Smoke</em> doing in the history section of bookshops at all? Art Spiegelman&#8217;s <em>Maus</em> isn&#8217;t usually to be found there, though it arguably should be &#8230;</p>
<p>Having said that, if historians are asked to review such a book, of course they are going to critique its view of history!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dresner</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/20/what-is-human-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-74431</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dresner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the book is being misunderstood, then it&#039;s Baker&#039;s fault for writing it like a sort of performance art instead of like a history. 

I think that&#039;s a good analogy, actually, because it&#039;s intended to shock, and the artist assumes that the audience will come to the same radical conclusion they did instead of actually making a coherent statement.</description>
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<p>I think that&#8217;s a good analogy, actually, because it&#8217;s intended to shock, and the artist assumes that the audience will come to the same radical conclusion they did instead of actually making a coherent statement.</p>
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