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	<description>Airpower and British society, 1908-1941</description>
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		<title>By: Airminded &#183; Facing Armageddon</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-77161</link>
		<dc:creator>Airminded &#183; Facing Armageddon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the talk I gave at Earth Sciences back in May. It&#8217;s long and picture heavy and much of it will be be familiar to regular readers, but some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Airminded &#183; The widening margin</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74775</link>
		<dc:creator>Airminded &#183; The widening margin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by inflicting prohibitive casualties. Except when the casualties from bombing were prdicted to be massive, and then a failure to stop the bomber getting through would have devastating consequences. Radar [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by inflicting prohibitive casualties. Except when the casualties from bombing were prdicted to be massive, and then a failure to stop the bomber getting through would have devastating consequences. Radar [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74466</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks -- I must reread that book, if I ever have a spare 30 minutes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8212; I must reread that book, if I ever have a spare 30 minutes!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Allport</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74465</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Allport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Dividing the air war into “the Battle of Britain” and “the Blitz” is unhelpful.&lt;/i&gt;

As Richard Overy suggests in his book on the Battle, this division encourages the popular but misleading belief that the London Blitz was a response to the RAF's attacks on Berlin. He argues that the framing of the Blitz as a retaliatory measure by the Germans was largely a rhetorical justification, and that the campaign had already been edging steadily in that direction throughout August.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Dividing the air war into “the Battle of Britain” and “the Blitz” is unhelpful.</i></p>
<p>As Richard Overy suggests in his book on the Battle, this division encourages the popular but misleading belief that the London Blitz was a response to the RAF&#8217;s attacks on Berlin. He argues that the framing of the Blitz as a retaliatory measure by the Germans was largely a rhetorical justification, and that the campaign had already been edging steadily in that direction throughout August.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74464</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roGER:

Oh, I wasn't offended! And it was good chance to expand upon a point I wanted to make.

Chris:

Nah, it'd be good for them -- they might learn something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roGER:</p>
<p>Oh, I wasn&#8217;t offended! And it was good chance to expand upon a point I wanted to make.</p>
<p>Chris:</p>
<p>Nah, it&#8217;d be good for them &#8212; they might learn something!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74445</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd refrain from using log scales on an audience that was comprised mainly of historians. Unless they were economic historians. Perhaps this is a comment on the numeracy of British historians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d refrain from using log scales on an audience that was comprised mainly of historians. Unless they were economic historians. Perhaps this is a comment on the numeracy of British historians!</p>
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		<title>By: roGER</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74442</link>
		<dc:creator>roGER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, 'deceiving' probably wasn't the best choice of words...

Sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, &#8216;deceiving&#8217; probably wasn&#8217;t the best choice of words&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74438</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:

I think that's a good point. I've &lt;a href="http://airminded.org/2007/06/20/from-blitzkrieg-to-blitz/" rel="nofollow"&gt;thought for a while&lt;/a&gt; that dividing the air war into "the Battle of Britain" and "the Blitz" is unhelpful in some ways and this is another example of that. The top graph in this post (rather, the data you compiled!) shows that August 1940 was the period of heaviest casualties outside of the Blitz proper and the V-1 attacks, and about equal to the Baby Blitz. But it's all but forgotten next to to 7 September and after.

It comes through very clearly from Harrisson's &lt;em&gt;Living Through the Blitz&lt;/em&gt; that the Luftwaffe's attacks on cities were most damaging and disruptive when the target hadn't been attacked before. Local government, ARP, emergency services and utilities all learned how to cope better after being bombed a few times (and, it seems, didn't learn much from the lessons of other cities -- or maybe there's just no substitute for experience). The same would likely be true of civilians in general. Much of the fear of air attack was in the not knowing what to expect. Once people did know, even if it was bad, it was a lot easier to bear.

And the suddenness of the knock-out blow is indeed key, as well as the fact that it comes at the start of war. I'm not entirely convinced that a knock-out blow &lt;em&gt;couldn't&lt;/em&gt; have worked in September 1939, or at least been approached. A sudden, massive air attack at the start of war -- there wouldn't have been time to learn lessons or overcome anxieties. I doubt it would have knocked Britain out of the war but it could have been a lot uglier than the Blitz!
Of course, Germany didn't have the forces and it was more concerned to finish Poland off quickly. But that gave the British a year's grace to prepare.

Gavin:

Cheers! The legacy of a youth misspent in physics. I do know what you mean; another abuse of mathematics that always annoys me is 'infinitely': infinity isn't just a really, really big number ...

roGER:

Thanks -- though I wouldn't say that graphs themselves are deceiving (the person presenting them may be, if they don't label or explain them properly). Something I wanted to show with this post is that there's not any one best way to plot data: any method that you do choose will emphasise some aspect of the data at the expense of other aspects. It all depends on what story you are trying to tell. A bit like history itself, really ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a good point. I&#8217;ve <a href="http://airminded.org/2007/06/20/from-blitzkrieg-to-blitz/" rel="nofollow">thought for a while</a> that dividing the air war into &#8220;the Battle of Britain&#8221; and &#8220;the Blitz&#8221; is unhelpful in some ways and this is another example of that. The top graph in this post (rather, the data you compiled!) shows that August 1940 was the period of heaviest casualties outside of the Blitz proper and the V-1 attacks, and about equal to the Baby Blitz. But it&#8217;s all but forgotten next to to 7 September and after.</p>
<p>It comes through very clearly from Harrisson&#8217;s <em>Living Through the Blitz</em> that the Luftwaffe&#8217;s attacks on cities were most damaging and disruptive when the target hadn&#8217;t been attacked before. Local government, ARP, emergency services and utilities all learned how to cope better after being bombed a few times (and, it seems, didn&#8217;t learn much from the lessons of other cities &#8212; or maybe there&#8217;s just no substitute for experience). The same would likely be true of civilians in general. Much of the fear of air attack was in the not knowing what to expect. Once people did know, even if it was bad, it was a lot easier to bear.</p>
<p>And the suddenness of the knock-out blow is indeed key, as well as the fact that it comes at the start of war. I&#8217;m not entirely convinced that a knock-out blow <em>couldn&#8217;t</em> have worked in September 1939, or at least been approached. A sudden, massive air attack at the start of war &#8212; there wouldn&#8217;t have been time to learn lessons or overcome anxieties. I doubt it would have knocked Britain out of the war but it could have been a lot uglier than the Blitz!<br />
Of course, Germany didn&#8217;t have the forces and it was more concerned to finish Poland off quickly. But that gave the British a year&#8217;s grace to prepare.</p>
<p>Gavin:</p>
<p>Cheers! The legacy of a youth misspent in physics. I do know what you mean; another abuse of mathematics that always annoys me is &#8216;infinitely&#8217;: infinity isn&#8217;t just a really, really big number &#8230;</p>
<p>roGER:</p>
<p>Thanks &#8212; though I wouldn&#8217;t say that graphs themselves are deceiving (the person presenting them may be, if they don&#8217;t label or explain them properly). Something I wanted to show with this post is that there&#8217;s not any one best way to plot data: any method that you do choose will emphasise some aspect of the data at the expense of other aspects. It all depends on what story you are trying to tell. A bit like history itself, really &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: roGER</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74421</link>
		<dc:creator>roGER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work - although I hate logerithmic scales - so decieving to the glance of an eye (and a lot of people, myself included do just tend to glance at a graph and just move on.</description>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2008/05/17/the-expected-holocaust/#comment-74420</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A round of applause for using the phrase "order of magnitude" to mean what it actually does mean. I get really annoyed when historians use it as a vague metaphor without really understanding the maths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A round of applause for using the phrase &#8220;order of magnitude&#8221; to mean what it actually does mean. I get really annoyed when historians use it as a vague metaphor without really understanding the maths.</p>
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