Comments on: From Darfur to London in Melbourne http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/ Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:15:39 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Airminded · Some Tante Jus and a conference report http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-78005 Airminded · Some Tante Jus and a conference report Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:16:39 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-78005 [...] are a couple of photos I used in my AHA talk last [...] [...] are a couple of photos I used in my AHA talk last [...]

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-73576 Brett Holman Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:37:08 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-73576 Definitely, it would nice to meet a real live blogger! I could almost have a go at a psychohistorical explanation ... I found out that while he was posted to London in 1918, he became engaged to Margot Glyn, the daughter of the novelist Elinor Glyn. I don't know what happened there, but the engagement was evidently broken off, and in 1920, when posted to Paris he married a Frenchwoman, and lived in France until the late 1920s at least. So I <em>could</em> argue that he became obsessed with the idea of the aerial destruction of the site of his romantic humiliation ... but I don't think I will :) Definitely, it would nice to meet a real live blogger!

I could almost have a go at a psychohistorical explanation … I found out that while he was posted to London in 1918, he became engaged to Margot Glyn, the daughter of the novelist Elinor Glyn. I don’t know what happened there, but the engagement was evidently broken off, and in 1920, when posted to Paris he married a Frenchwoman, and lived in France until the late 1920s at least. So I could argue that he became obsessed with the idea of the aerial destruction of the site of his romantic humiliation … but I don’t think I will :)

]]> By: Melissa Bellanta http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-73556 Melissa Bellanta Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:40:32 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-73556 Well, Brett, let's look out for each other at the conference... It will be good to meet you there. I'm surprised to see that Erin will be talking about Hawkwind, since I thought he was a convict-era historian. I imagine, too, that a whole paper could be written about Groves' masculinity and its relationship to the theory of the 'knock out blow'... Well, Brett, let’s look out for each other at the conference… It will be good to meet you there. I’m surprised to see that Erin will be talking about Hawkwind, since I thought he was a convict-era historian. I imagine, too, that a whole paper could be written about Groves’ masculinity and its relationship to the theory of the ‘knock out blow’…

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-73492 Chris Williams Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:50:15 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-73492 There are elements of 'you had to be there - but if you were there, then you probably can't remember it' in that album. Compare and contrast: Moorcock's own individual post-apocalyptic visions, forex _The War Lord of the Air_ . MM's solo album 'New World's Fair' is explicitly a 'WW3 will kill us all' product ['Kiss my lips while I still have them/Take my hand and keep it safe'], but his work with Hawkwind was a lot less warscary. There are elements of ‘you had to be there – but if you were there, then you probably can’t remember it’ in that album.

Compare and contrast: Moorcock’s own individual post-apocalyptic visions, forex _The War Lord of the Air_ . MM’s solo album ‘New World’s Fair’ is explicitly a ‘WW3 will kill us all’ product ['Kiss my lips while I still have them/Take my hand and keep it safe'], but his work with Hawkwind was a lot less warscary.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-73488 Brett Holman Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:09:33 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-73488 Thanks! Since he describes it as 'The greatest album in the world', if I go down this perilous path I might try <em>Space Ritual</em> ... Thanks! Since he describes it as ‘The greatest album in the world’, if I go down this perilous path I might try Space Ritual …

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-73479 Chris Williams Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:10:36 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-73479 Actually, this man here seems to know what he's talking about, although I can't vouch for any of his opinions about stuff released after about 1988: http://www.starfarer.net/hwalbums.html Actually, this man here seems to know what he’s talking about, although I can’t vouch for any of his opinions about stuff released after about 1988:
http://www.starfarer.net/hwalbums.html

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-73478 Chris Williams Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:59:46 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-73478 Owing to Hawkwind's legendary inability to work out record company deals, their back catalogue is available in about 10^4 different combinations, most of them in compilations largely composed of dire out-takes. Start with _Space Ritual_, then _In Search of Space_, Doremi Fasol Latido, _Astounding Sounds_ and perhaps _PXR5_. After that, it all gets a bit the same. For airmindednessness, cut straight to the late great Bob Calvert's _Captain Lockheed and the Starfighers_ which will also explain why I have this daft email address. Owing to Hawkwind’s legendary inability to work out record company deals, their back catalogue is available in about 10^4 different combinations, most of them in compilations largely composed of dire out-takes. Start with _Space Ritual_, then _In Search of Space_, Doremi Fasol Latido, _Astounding Sounds_ and perhaps _PXR5_. After that, it all gets a bit the same.

For airmindednessness, cut straight to the late great Bob Calvert’s _Captain Lockheed and the Starfighers_ which will also explain why I have this daft email address.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-73477 Brett Holman Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:00:26 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-73477 I've never listened to much Hawkwind, so I've got nothing to add. Maybe I'll have to do some research before the conference ... I’ve never listened to much Hawkwind, so I’ve got nothing to add. Maybe I’ll have to do some research before the conference …

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/comment-page-1/#comment-73467 Chris Williams Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:26:30 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/04/24/from-darfur-to-london-in-melbourne/#comment-73467 I only know about four Aussie historians: you're one, and Erin's another (it's pronounced 'Ee-Dee'). Send him my regards. Thinking about it briefly, I'd say that classic period Hawkwind is more about the _avoidance_ of imagining the apocalypse. Like the way that in Marvel comics and Godzilla movies, exposure to nuclear tests never merely kills you, but instead gives you superpowers. But perhaps this opinion depends on how stoned one was... I only know about four Aussie historians: you’re one, and Erin’s another (it’s pronounced ‘Ee-Dee’). Send him my regards.

Thinking about it briefly, I’d say that classic period Hawkwind is more about the _avoidance_ of imagining the apocalypse. Like the way that in Marvel comics and Godzilla movies, exposure to nuclear tests never merely kills you, but instead gives you superpowers. But perhaps this opinion depends on how stoned one was…

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