Comments on: The Turtle and other weapons of desperation http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:36:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: CK http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68417 CK Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:02:46 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68417 Oh well, there you are: Jimmy Stewart, make of it what you will. Seems to be an actor AND airminded... Fascinating.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoY8Cj1larg Oh well, there you are: Jimmy Stewart, make of it what you will. Seems to be an actor AND airminded...

Fascinating....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoY8Cj1larg

]]> By: CK http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68415 CK Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:49:17 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68415 Absolutely Brett. And it makes you wonder how the RAN could have got it so wrong re the SeaSprite http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Navys-100m-chopper-cant-fly-in-bad-light/2005/03/18/1111086017635.html And as far as the JSF (http://www.jsf.mil/) is concerned, well, let's not go there. Completely inappropriate to our defense needs and purchased on the mere whim of a minister against RAAF advice. Living in Perth, we also occasionally get SAS leaping from Hercs and the odd Caribou somewhere over the ocean. Trucks of the sky - you can hear them coming from miles away. So, being an honest citizen, I guess I'll have to kill you now. Sorry. Not personal... Absolutely Brett. And it makes you wonder how the RAN could have got it so wrong re the SeaSprite http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Navys-100m-chopper-cant-fly-in-bad-light/2005/03/18/1111086017635.html

And as far as the JSF (http://www.jsf.mil/) is concerned, well, let's not go there. Completely inappropriate to our defense needs and purchased on the mere whim of a minister against RAAF advice.

Living in Perth, we also occasionally get SAS leaping from Hercs and the odd Caribou somewhere over the ocean. Trucks of the sky - you can hear them coming from miles away.

So, being an honest citizen, I guess I'll have to kill you now.

Sorry. Not personal...

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68393 Brett Holman Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:38:19 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68393 I love the fact that all those sleek, superfast jets on display are long gone now -- and that the humble C-130s, KC-135s and (considerably less humble, but also not a speed demon) B-52s are still with us, nearly half a century later! The B-52Hs now in service are a bit younger, but not much: they were built in the early 1960s. And on current plans won't be retired until at least 2040. Googling for a bit more information on the 'World Congress of Flight' (wonder if the Russians were invited), I found <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,811069,00.html" rel="nofollow">this titbit</a> about Edward Teller's proposal to test relativity. Always with the nukes, that boy! I love the fact that all those sleek, superfast jets on display are long gone now -- and that the humble C-130s, KC-135s and (considerably less humble, but also not a speed demon) B-52s are still with us, nearly half a century later! The B-52Hs now in service are a bit younger, but not much: they were built in the early 1960s. And on current plans won't be retired until at least 2040.

Googling for a bit more information on the 'World Congress of Flight' (wonder if the Russians were invited), I found this titbit about Edward Teller's proposal to test relativity. Always with the nukes, that boy!

]]> By: CK http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68378 CK Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:01:54 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68378 Sorry, "airminded citizens." So much more democratic and freedom-loving... Sorry, "airminded citizens." So much more democratic and freedom-loving...

]]> By: CK http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68377 CK Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:57:40 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68377 I await with pure, unashamed schadenfreude, Brett. Here's a short clip of a B-58 (and others) from Nellis AFB Nevada where the narrator uses the phrase "airminded population" (actually I suspect roped in USAF families living at, err, Nellis AFB). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdigmXo5qhk&feature=related Possibly my most significant contribution to your thesis: This maybe the last use of the term "airminded" on film. Or not. Meh. I await with pure, unashamed schadenfreude, Brett.

Here's a short clip of a B-58 (and others) from Nellis AFB Nevada where the narrator uses the phrase "airminded population" (actually I suspect roped in USAF families living at, err, Nellis AFB).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdigmXo5qhk&feature=related

Possibly my most significant contribution to your thesis: This maybe the last use of the term "airminded" on film. Or not. Meh.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68340 Brett Holman Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:51:41 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68340 If you think those are horrors, wait until you see a post I've got coming up ... If you think those are horrors, wait until you see a post I've got coming up ...

]]> By: Jakob http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68319 Jakob Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:02:33 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68319 Well, as elegant as the aluminium overcast could be... with all those pushers and the jets it looks like something from Norman Bel Geddes's imagination. It does seem to have been the basis for at least two crack-fuelled projects - the NB-36H airnborne nuclear reactor test aircraft and the FICON parasite fighter/recon system. I didn't know Jimmy Stewart flew the B-58 as well - I wouldn't have thought they'd have let reserve pilots loose on such a hot (and dangerous!) ship. Well, as elegant as the aluminium overcast could be... with all those pushers and the jets it looks like something from Norman Bel Geddes's imagination.

It does seem to have been the basis for at least two crack-fuelled projects - the NB-36H airnborne nuclear reactor test aircraft and the FICON parasite fighter/recon system.

I didn't know Jimmy Stewart flew the B-58 as well - I wouldn't have thought they'd have let reserve pilots loose on such a hot (and dangerous!) ship.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68306 Brett Holman Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:20:48 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68306 Ah yes, the Peacemaker. An elegant weapon, for a more civilised age. Ah yes, the Peacemaker. An elegant weapon, for a more civilised age.

]]> By: CK http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-68232 CK Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:15:07 +0000 http://airminded.org/2008/01/10/the-turtle-and-other-weapons-of-desperation/#comment-68232 Well Brett, I'm not sure whether I've shared this particular weapon of desperation with with you before, but slap in the headphones, turn up the volume, and get into the six turnin' four burnin' zeitgeist of the b-36 Peacemaker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZSpqFPSK_c&feature=related And yes that was James Stewart as an aircraft engineer an yes he was also a fully qualified B-58 pilot and yes he was also a b-17 pilot in Europe in ww2. Well Brett, I'm not sure whether I've shared this particular weapon of desperation with with you before, but slap in the headphones, turn up the volume, and get into the six turnin' four burnin' zeitgeist of the b-36 Peacemaker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZSpqFPSK_c&feature=related

And yes that was James Stewart as an aircraft engineer an yes he was also a fully qualified B-58 pilot and yes he was also a b-17 pilot in Europe in ww2.

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