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	<description>Airpower and British society, 1908-1941</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/08/21/war-games-tabloid-edition/#comment-88468</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that. It's interesting that they kept it at all, especially since they were evidently somewhat embarrassed about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that. It&#8217;s interesting that they kept it at all, especially since they were evidently somewhat embarrassed about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/08/21/war-games-tabloid-edition/#comment-88448</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some time in the early '50s (I was about 12 or 13) I went on a school exchange to Wolfsburg in Lower Saxony, Germany. Whilst there I was treated extremely well by everyone and it was probably that trip which fostered my love of the country and people which has survived to this day.
The Daily Mail article was obviously written with the 20-20 vision of hindsight and is merely one of the many decrying the actions of both sides of the conflict with no regard, or indeed knowledge, of the very real suffering experienced all over the world at that time. The measures that all the combatants employed were, in the main, what they regarded as necessary to end the conflict.
However, while in Wolfsburg I saw the box of a board game, the lid of which depicted a Lancaster going down in flames. This intrigued me (I've always had an interest in aircraft) but my hosts were most reluctant to speak of it and I've never forgotten it. Not because of the picture - I've always wondered what the game was like!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time in the early &#8217;50s (I was about 12 or 13) I went on a school exchange to Wolfsburg in Lower Saxony, Germany. Whilst there I was treated extremely well by everyone and it was probably that trip which fostered my love of the country and people which has survived to this day.<br />
The Daily Mail article was obviously written with the 20-20 vision of hindsight and is merely one of the many decrying the actions of both sides of the conflict with no regard, or indeed knowledge, of the very real suffering experienced all over the world at that time. The measures that all the combatants employed were, in the main, what they regarded as necessary to end the conflict.<br />
However, while in Wolfsburg I saw the box of a board game, the lid of which depicted a Lancaster going down in flames. This intrigued me (I&#8217;ve always had an interest in aircraft) but my hosts were most reluctant to speak of it and I&#8217;ve never forgotten it. Not because of the picture - I&#8217;ve always wondered what the game was like!</p>
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		<title>By: Airminded &#183; Black-Out</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/08/21/war-games-tabloid-edition/#comment-67940</link>
		<dc:creator>Airminded &#183; Black-Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] card game &#8212; full of interest&#8217;. It&#8217;s one of the British war games I mentioned in a previous post. At that time I only had a low-res photo from the BBC website to go on, so I was glad of the chance [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] card game &#8212; full of interest&#8217;. It&#8217;s one of the British war games I mentioned in a previous post. At that time I only had a low-res photo from the BBC website to go on, so I was glad of the chance [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Airminded &#183; The Raider</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/08/21/war-games-tabloid-edition/#comment-59205</link>
		<dc:creator>Airminded &#183; The Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] another British war game to add to the pile, this one from 1922: The Raider. A copy of a new game called &#8220;The Raider&#8221; has been [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] another British war game to add to the pile, this one from 1922: The Raider. A copy of a new game called &#8220;The Raider&#8221; has been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/08/21/war-games-tabloid-edition/#comment-57898</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess:

Thanks, that makes sense.  I don't think kids (at least boys) mind violence in fiction, as long as everyone gets their just desserts in the end!

Alun:

Sorry! I better not mention that being able to read the &lt;em&gt;Daily Mail&lt;/em&gt; was actually my main reason for coming here at all ...

Jakob:

You could be right about the Fw 187 -- that's a &lt;em&gt;Spotto!&lt;/em&gt; point for you.

I realised that the auction house's web site might have some more information and pictures, and &lt;a href="http://www.mullocksauctions.co.uk/Catalogue_Process_Search.php?P=5&#038;Auc=HD230807.WCA&#038;IDF=4574&#038;IDT=4976" rel="nofollow"&gt;it does&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt; (see the preceding page as well). It has a photo of the board for &lt;em&gt;Das U-boot Spiel&lt;/em&gt; which looks like it may be a map (though perhaps not an accurate one) of Scapa Flow, ie implying the game is asymmetric. There's also more detail about &lt;em&gt;V Game&lt;/em&gt;, and they &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; V-1s (there's a picture of the cover) and it does appear to be from Belgium. Their &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.mullocksauctions.co.uk/Catalogue_Show_Item.php?ID=4777" rel="nofollow"&gt;description&lt;/a&gt; reads:
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WWII The V Game. Original children's game devised possibly in Belgium (though bearing a French mark of Brevete S.G.O.G. 28620P VC) almost certainly during WWII and based on the concept of the V1 rocket. In original box with colour printed cartoon on the lid showing Hitler with a crown on his head sitting astride a V1 rocket surrounded by stars. Made from fairly crude card (consistent with the deprivation of the times) printed rules in French Flemish and English to inside lid (hence our attribution to Belgium). Box a little distressed but interior contents complete and in good order. A remarkable survivor and even more so if this does in fact date from the days when Belgium was occupied. The idea of the game is based on a sort of 'tiddlywinks' principle. Each player had a spring powered 'launcher' and a 'V1' (which was a bead drilled with a hole in the middle). Inside the box was a game board rather like a dartboard but with various round sections in concentric rings. The outer ring was worth 10 points and related to various German cities including Munich Frankfurt Mainz Essen etc. The next ring of six sections was Berlin itself (B-E-R-L-I-N) and if your V1 landed in one of those it was worth 25 points. The next ring was devoted to the 'Hitler Gang' of Goebbels Von Ribbetropp Von Rundstedd Von Pappen and Himmler. If you hit these it was worth 50 points. The 'Bullseye' was Hitler himself worth 100 points. The date of this game remains in doubt but it seems most probable that it was produced in wartime and under occupation - and if so would represent a remarkable act of courage by those who produced it. We would suggest that as the V1 is used as the basis of the game rather than the later V2 it would place the invention of this game at around 1944 at a time when the German occupation of Belgium was coming to an end but would have still been very real. If this is the case then the possession of the game would have been most unwise.We have been unable to trace any reference to this game &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would still suggest, however, that it's unlikely to have been produced during the occupation (why would it have instructions in English?); a Belgian game revolving around launching V1s at German cities and leaders suggests to me that it's an imaginary revenge for the V1 attacks on Antwerp, so October 1944 or later. (Though it would still need to be explained why V1s and not V2s which were more numerous at first; on the other hand there were more V1s overall and a lot more in February 1945 -- 12 a day according to &lt;a href="http://www.v2rocket.com/start/chapters/antwerp.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.) Of course it would probably sell for less if they said that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess:</p>
<p>Thanks, that makes sense.  I don&#8217;t think kids (at least boys) mind violence in fiction, as long as everyone gets their just desserts in the end!</p>
<p>Alun:</p>
<p>Sorry! I better not mention that being able to read the <em>Daily Mail</em> was actually my main reason for coming here at all &#8230;</p>
<p>Jakob:</p>
<p>You could be right about the Fw 187 &#8212; that&#8217;s a <em>Spotto!</em> point for you.</p>
<p>I realised that the auction house&#8217;s web site might have some more information and pictures, and <a href="http://www.mullocksauctions.co.uk/Catalogue_Process_Search.php?P=5&#038;Auc=HD230807.WCA&#038;IDF=4574&#038;IDT=4976" rel="nofollow">it does</a><a> (see the preceding page as well). It has a photo of the board for <em>Das U-boot Spiel</em> which looks like it may be a map (though perhaps not an accurate one) of Scapa Flow, ie implying the game is asymmetric. There&#8217;s also more detail about <em>V Game</em>, and they <i>are</i> V-1s (there&#8217;s a picture of the cover) and it does appear to be from Belgium. Their </a><a href="http://www.mullocksauctions.co.uk/Catalogue_Show_Item.php?ID=4777" rel="nofollow">description</a> reads:</p>
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WWII The V Game. Original children&#8217;s game devised possibly in Belgium (though bearing a French mark of Brevete S.G.O.G. 28620P VC) almost certainly during WWII and based on the concept of the V1 rocket. In original box with colour printed cartoon on the lid showing Hitler with a crown on his head sitting astride a V1 rocket surrounded by stars. Made from fairly crude card (consistent with the deprivation of the times) printed rules in French Flemish and English to inside lid (hence our attribution to Belgium). Box a little distressed but interior contents complete and in good order. A remarkable survivor and even more so if this does in fact date from the days when Belgium was occupied. The idea of the game is based on a sort of &#8216;tiddlywinks&#8217; principle. Each player had a spring powered &#8216;launcher&#8217; and a &#8216;V1&#8242; (which was a bead drilled with a hole in the middle). Inside the box was a game board rather like a dartboard but with various round sections in concentric rings. The outer ring was worth 10 points and related to various German cities including Munich Frankfurt Mainz Essen etc. The next ring of six sections was Berlin itself (B-E-R-L-I-N) and if your V1 landed in one of those it was worth 25 points. The next ring was devoted to the &#8216;Hitler Gang&#8217; of Goebbels Von Ribbetropp Von Rundstedd Von Pappen and Himmler. If you hit these it was worth 50 points. The &#8216;Bullseye&#8217; was Hitler himself worth 100 points. The date of this game remains in doubt but it seems most probable that it was produced in wartime and under occupation - and if so would represent a remarkable act of courage by those who produced it. We would suggest that as the V1 is used as the basis of the game rather than the later V2 it would place the invention of this game at around 1944 at a time when the German occupation of Belgium was coming to an end but would have still been very real. If this is the case then the possession of the game would have been most unwise.We have been unable to trace any reference to this game </p></blockquote>
<p>I would still suggest, however, that it&#8217;s unlikely to have been produced during the occupation (why would it have instructions in English?); a Belgian game revolving around launching V1s at German cities and leaders suggests to me that it&#8217;s an imaginary revenge for the V1 attacks on Antwerp, so October 1944 or later. (Though it would still need to be explained why V1s and not V2s which were more numerous at first; on the other hand there were more V1s overall and a lot more in February 1945 &#8212; 12 a day according to <a href="http://www.v2rocket.com/start/chapters/antwerp.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>.) Of course it would probably sell for less if they said that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakob</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/08/21/war-games-tabloid-edition/#comment-57865</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favourite comment on the Mail article: 
&lt;i&gt;Today children play computer games involving stealing cars, killing policemen and generally committing mayhem. At least the German children were attacking their country's then enemy.&lt;/i&gt;

GTA - worse than the Nazis!

Also noted: the aircraft on the Fallschirmjaeger-spiel looks like a  &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/fw187.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Focke-Wulf Fw187&lt;/a&gt;, which is a fairly obscure aircraft to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favourite comment on the Mail article:<br />
<i>Today children play computer games involving stealing cars, killing policemen and generally committing mayhem. At least the German children were attacking their country&#8217;s then enemy.</i></p>
<p>GTA - worse than the Nazis!</p>
<p>Also noted: the aircraft on the Fallschirmjaeger-spiel looks like a  <a href="http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/fw187.htm" rel="nofollow">Focke-Wulf Fw187</a>, which is a fairly obscure aircraft to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Alun</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/08/21/war-games-tabloid-edition/#comment-57862</link>
		<dc:creator>Alun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’ve been reading the Daily Mail quite a lot since I’ve been here...&lt;/em&gt; One of the most terrifying sentences I've read on a blog. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I’ve been reading the Daily Mail quite a lot since I’ve been here&#8230;</em> One of the most terrifying sentences I&#8217;ve read on a blog. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Nevins</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/08/21/war-games-tabloid-edition/#comment-57849</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Nevins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've read what British kids were reading during WW2, and I've read what German kids were reading during WW2, and there's not a whit of difference between them as far as violence was concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read what British kids were reading during WW2, and I&#8217;ve read what German kids were reading during WW2, and there&#8217;s not a whit of difference between them as far as violence was concerned.</p>
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