Comments on: The doom of the great city http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-doom-of-the-great-city Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Wed, 23 May 2012 10:08:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-80320 Brett Holman Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:38:16 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-80320 I couldn't say for sure whether Griffiths <em>did</em> fall into neglect -- that implies that he was popular to begin with, which may or may not be true. Jess could certainly answer that better than I, if he's reading it. On the question of Verne's influence in Britain, as least as it relates to stories involving aviation, you might want to check out chapter 2 of Michael Paris, <em>Winged Warfare: The Literature and Theory of Aerial Warfare in Britain, 1859-1917</em> (Manchester and New York: Manchester University Press, 1992). I couldn't say for sure whether Griffiths did fall into neglect -- that implies that he was popular to begin with, which may or may not be true. Jess could certainly answer that better than I, if he's reading it. On the question of Verne's influence in Britain, as least as it relates to stories involving aviation, you might want to check out chapter 2 of Michael Paris, Winged Warfare: The Literature and Theory of Aerial Warfare in Britain, 1859-1917 (Manchester and New York: Manchester University Press, 1992).

]]> By: daniel http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-79534 daniel Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:24:01 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-79534 thanks for a most enlightning article. not having read fawcett, i'd like to comment on the link between jules verne and griffiths. in his "angel of the revolution" verne is specifically referred to more than once, and the reader is assumed to have some familiarity with the shape of the vhiecle from "master of the world". to me all this is significant because english translations of verne up to the last three decades or so have been awfull "children's books" affairs, mostly because of verne's anti-british sentiments. thus, griffiths may be the first english author to have acknowledged verne's influence while verne was still alive. further, this may be a good place to ask, what caused griffith's lapse into neglect? what could be the possibility that h.g.wells was influenced by his work(and thus more influenced by verne than he was willing to admit!) or by fawcett's work such as "secret of the desert?" anyone with any information please write to me at medusa@inter.net.il thanks for a most enlightning article. not having read fawcett, i'd like to comment on the link between jules verne and griffiths. in his "angel of the revolution" verne is specifically referred to more than once, and the reader is assumed to have some familiarity with the shape of the vhiecle from "master of the world".

to me all this is significant because english translations of verne up to the last three decades or so have been awfull "children's books" affairs, mostly because of verne's anti-british sentiments.

thus, griffiths may be the first english author to have acknowledged verne's influence while verne was still alive.

further, this may be a good place to ask, what caused griffith's lapse into neglect? what could be the possibility that h.g.wells was influenced by his work(and thus more influenced by verne than he was willing to admit!) or by fawcett's work such as "secret of the desert?"
anyone with any information please write to me at
medusa@inter.net.il

]]> By: Barista » Blog Archive » yesterday’s futurology http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-56693 Barista » Blog Archive » yesterday’s futurology Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:42:00 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-56693 [...] I found it indirectly through an entry on Air Minded. [...] [...] I found it indirectly through an entry on Air Minded. [...]

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-56599 Brett Holman Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:21:26 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-56599 No problem at all, I write mainly for myself but it's always great when somebody else finds it interesting too. And I think you should put <em>The Secret of the Desert</em> online, it would complement Paul's efforts with <em>Hartmann the Anarchist</em> nicely :) No problem at all, I write mainly for myself but it's always great when somebody else finds it interesting too. And I think you should put The Secret of the Desert online, it would complement Paul's efforts with Hartmann the Anarchist nicely :)

]]> By: David Dellinger http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-56562 David Dellinger Sat, 04 Aug 2007 08:27:07 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-56562 This information is nothing short of astonishing. I came online tonight specifically seeking information on an interesting period fantasy novel of which I possess one heavily damaged (but complete) copy, The Secret of the Desert, by Fawcett. Were I to have conducted this search a fortnight ago, I would have found virtually nothing. Tonight, I find a capsule biography of the author with a discussion of his works! Truly, synchronicity is a mysterious and marvelous force! I am now wondering if my one true purpose in life is to transcribe The Secret of the Desert and make this scarce volume, with its illustrations, available online. Not that I'm particularly enthralled by the idea of that much typing.... Thank you, sincerely, for presenting this fascinating discussion of the works of E. D. Fawcett. This information is nothing short of astonishing. I came online tonight specifically seeking information on an interesting period fantasy novel of which I possess one heavily damaged (but complete) copy, The Secret of the Desert, by Fawcett. Were I to have conducted this search a fortnight ago, I would have found virtually nothing. Tonight, I find a capsule biography of the author with a discussion of his works! Truly, synchronicity is a mysterious and marvelous force!

I am now wondering if my one true purpose in life is to transcribe The Secret of the Desert and make this scarce volume, with its illustrations, available online. Not that I'm particularly enthralled by the idea of that much typing....

Thank you, sincerely, for presenting this fascinating discussion of the works of E. D. Fawcett.

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-55478 Chris Williams Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:17:36 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-55478 Marcus is also a member of the Secret s.h.w-i Cabal. Michael Moorcock's take on Fawcett and Griffiths is interesting - it can be found in _The Warlord of the Air_, and the introduction to the two volumes of his resea^h^h^h contemporary fiction he edited, _Before Armageddon_ and _England Invaded_. Marcus is also a member of the Secret s.h.w-i Cabal.

Michael Moorcock's take on Fawcett and Griffiths is interesting - it can be found in _The Warlord of the Air_, and the introduction to the two volumes of his resea^h^h^h contemporary fiction he edited, _Before Armageddon_ and _England Invaded_.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-55474 Brett Holman Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:36:18 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-55474 Thanks, I'll have to see if there's any room in my busy social calendar! Thanks, I'll have to see if there's any room in my busy social calendar!

]]> By: Jess Nevins http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-55433 Jess Nevins Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:23 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-55433 I'm sure you'd enjoy talking with Marcus--very interesting & friendly chap. I'm sure you'd enjoy talking with Marcus--very interesting & friendly chap.

]]> By: Roger Todd http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-55382 Roger Todd Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:59:42 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-55382 Talking of George Griffith, Marcus Rowland produces CD-roms with high quality scans taken directly (so I believe) from original editions of such Griffith works as 'Olga Romanoff' and 'The Angel of the Revolution'. For the full text and small scans of the original illustrations by Jane, follow the link: http://www.forgottenfutures.com/game/ff7/ And he lives in west London, so as you're now here, Brett, you may want to contact him (details on the linked page). Jane also did naval related illustrations for magazines such as Pearson's (I've got a full set of Pearson's covering 1896 through 1899 inclusive, which contains some of his work). Talking of George Griffith, Marcus Rowland produces CD-roms with high quality scans taken directly (so I believe) from original editions of such Griffith works as 'Olga Romanoff' and 'The Angel of the Revolution'. For the full text and small scans of the original illustrations by Jane, follow the link:

http://www.forgottenfutures.com/game/ff7/

And he lives in west London, so as you're now here, Brett, you may want to contact him (details on the linked page).

Jane also did naval related illustrations for magazines such as Pearson's (I've got a full set of Pearson's covering 1896 through 1899 inclusive, which contains some of his work).

]]> By: Paul Gilster http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/comment-page-1/#comment-55377 Paul Gilster Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:35:53 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/07/22/the-doom-of-the-great-city/#comment-55377 Surprised that Fawcett hasn't made it onto Project Gutenberg by this point; I'll nudge an appropriate volunteer :-) Surprised that Fawcett hasn't made it onto Project Gutenberg by this point; I'll nudge an appropriate volunteer :-)

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