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	<title>Comments on: Ello, ello, ello, what&#8217;s all this then?</title>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/20/ello-ello-ello-whats-all-this-then/comment-page-1/#comment-72333</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, quite so. He loved his work, you&#039;ve got to give him that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, quite so. He loved his work, you&#8217;ve got to give him that.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Smith</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/20/ello-ello-ello-whats-all-this-then/comment-page-1/#comment-72284</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I just read the other post you link to above.  My observation above is reinforced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I just read the other post you link to above.  My observation above is reinforced.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Smith</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/20/ello-ello-ello-whats-all-this-then/comment-page-1/#comment-72283</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting ... particularly the context of an earlier &quot;brutal&quot; phase involving inter alia Arthur Harris.  I haven&#039;t read a biography of the man but is it fair to speculate that he learnt a few lessons here about the effectiveness of hitting hard?  Whirlwinds and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting &#8230; particularly the context of an earlier &#8220;brutal&#8221; phase involving inter alia Arthur Harris.  I haven&#8217;t read a biography of the man but is it fair to speculate that he learnt a few lessons here about the effectiveness of hitting hard?  Whirlwinds and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/20/ello-ello-ello-whats-all-this-then/comment-page-1/#comment-72280</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, you&#039;re probably right. I can see that air control could have eventually evolved into kind of a game or ritual where nobody got hurt and the honour of both sides was satisfied. That definitely wasn&#039;t the case very early on in the piece -- in the post, I linked to &lt;a href=&quot;http://airminded.org/2006/11/12/me-on-orac-on-dawkins-on-harris/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another post&lt;/a&gt; which had this quote from Bomber Harris in 1924:
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Where the Arab and Kurd had just begun to realise that if they could stand a little noise, they could stand bombing …, they now know what real bombing means, in casualties and damage; they now know that within forty-five minutes a full-sized village (vide attached photos of Kushan-Al-Ajaza) can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured by four or five machines which offer them no real target, no opportunity for glory as warriors, no effective means of escape.
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But that doesn&#039;t mean that this sort of thing was still going on in 1938, particularly since it was by then standard procedure to issue warnings. Since writing this post, I&#039;ve finally gotten around to reading David Omissi&#039;s excellent &lt;em&gt;Air Power and Colonial Control&lt;/em&gt; (Manchester and New York: Manchester University Press, 1992). He does seem to suggest that &#039;brutality&#039; was very rarely used over urban areas, though it was more common in rural areas. On p. 159, he mentions the Aden Protectorate specifically:
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Air power seems to have been employed with particular restraint against the tribesmen of the Aden hinterland. This was partly because Aden was only under full-scale air control from 1928, after the most violent early phase of air policing was over. It was also a question of personality, for the men such as McClaughry and Portal who commanded at Aden in the 1930s, appear to have been less brutal than other senior air officers like Arthur Harris or Philip Game.
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So, perhaps Aden is not quite reflective of the broader practice of air control, but at any rate the actions described by Baden-Powell and the &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt; most likely did not result in casualties. (Still -- neither account shows any concern for the possibility of this happening ...)

While I&#039;m here, I should point out that a &lt;em&gt;dar&lt;/em&gt; is more like a fort than a mere house, at least if I recall Omissi correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, you&#8217;re probably right. I can see that air control could have eventually evolved into kind of a game or ritual where nobody got hurt and the honour of both sides was satisfied. That definitely wasn&#8217;t the case very early on in the piece &#8212; in the post, I linked to <a href="http://airminded.org/2006/11/12/me-on-orac-on-dawkins-on-harris/" rel="nofollow">another post</a> which had this quote from Bomber Harris in 1924:</p>
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Where the Arab and Kurd had just begun to realise that if they could stand a little noise, they could stand bombing …, they now know what real bombing means, in casualties and damage; they now know that within forty-five minutes a full-sized village (vide attached photos of Kushan-Al-Ajaza) can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured by four or five machines which offer them no real target, no opportunity for glory as warriors, no effective means of escape.
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<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean that this sort of thing was still going on in 1938, particularly since it was by then standard procedure to issue warnings. Since writing this post, I&#8217;ve finally gotten around to reading David Omissi&#8217;s excellent <em>Air Power and Colonial Control</em> (Manchester and New York: Manchester University Press, 1992). He does seem to suggest that &#8216;brutality&#8217; was very rarely used over urban areas, though it was more common in rural areas. On p. 159, he mentions the Aden Protectorate specifically:</p>
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Air power seems to have been employed with particular restraint against the tribesmen of the Aden hinterland. This was partly because Aden was only under full-scale air control from 1928, after the most violent early phase of air policing was over. It was also a question of personality, for the men such as McClaughry and Portal who commanded at Aden in the 1930s, appear to have been less brutal than other senior air officers like Arthur Harris or Philip Game.
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<p>So, perhaps Aden is not quite reflective of the broader practice of air control, but at any rate the actions described by Baden-Powell and the <em>Times</em> most likely did not result in casualties. (Still &#8212; neither account shows any concern for the possibility of this happening &#8230;)</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m here, I should point out that a <em>dar</em> is more like a fort than a mere house, at least if I recall Omissi correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: W.F. Hogarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.F. Hogarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the contrary, the probability was that there were no casualties in the bombing of the dar.

The critical factor in the policing of the Aden Protectorate was always the recognition that there was no shame for an Arab to submit if he was obviously submitting to a superior force he was incapable of fighting.  Accordingly, incidents such as this were treated as &quot;firepower demonstrations&quot;, which meant that on the  previous day there would be a leaflet drop to announce that the District Officer would be coming to supervise the destruction of, in this case, the dar by the indestructible aeroplanes.  The event would become a local holiday and Arabs from surrounding villages would ride in to join the celebrations.  On schedule the aircraft would make a noisy low pass and then climb to release its bombs.  No one got hurt and the message was understood.

We were still using this technique in the nineteen-sixties, and I dropped bombs on such demonstrations as late as 1962.</description>
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<p>The critical factor in the policing of the Aden Protectorate was always the recognition that there was no shame for an Arab to submit if he was obviously submitting to a superior force he was incapable of fighting.  Accordingly, incidents such as this were treated as &#8220;firepower demonstrations&#8221;, which meant that on the  previous day there would be a leaflet drop to announce that the District Officer would be coming to supervise the destruction of, in this case, the dar by the indestructible aeroplanes.  The event would become a local holiday and Arabs from surrounding villages would ride in to join the celebrations.  On schedule the aircraft would make a noisy low pass and then climb to release its bombs.  No one got hurt and the message was understood.</p>
<p>We were still using this technique in the nineteen-sixties, and I dropped bombs on such demonstrations as late as 1962.</p>
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