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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-55294</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been here a bit longer now, maybe I was a bit hasty in pointing to the nanny state -- there are areas where Australia is perhaps more nannyish than the UK. For example, I'm amazed by how many cyclists don't wear helmets here. I don't know if it's compulsory to do so; it is back home. So maybe it's just that some things are different here.

We seem to be getting the barriers in Melbourne too, at least in a few places, and they annoy me for the same reason! But I can sort of understand why they are more common here, given the lack of separation between the rushing traffic and the footpath here, as noted above :)

One last whinge: why do shops never seem to have fridges to store cold soft drinks and the link in? Instead they've got these chilled open shelves which are a few degrees below ambient temperature. Seems pointless and inefficient. I knew about the warm beer but this is really too much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been here a bit longer now, maybe I was a bit hasty in pointing to the nanny state &#8212; there are areas where Australia is perhaps more nannyish than the UK. For example, I&#8217;m amazed by how many cyclists don&#8217;t wear helmets here. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s compulsory to do so; it is back home. So maybe it&#8217;s just that some things are different here.</p>
<p>We seem to be getting the barriers in Melbourne too, at least in a few places, and they annoy me for the same reason! But I can sort of understand why they are more common here, given the lack of separation between the rushing traffic and the footpath here, as noted above :)</p>
<p>One last whinge: why do shops never seem to have fridges to store cold soft drinks and the link in? Instead they&#8217;ve got these chilled open shelves which are a few degrees below ambient temperature. Seems pointless and inefficient. I knew about the warm beer but this is really too much!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Todd</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-55123</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett, good to read that your first impressions are so positive! I have to say, as someone who has lived in London for ten years, I agree with most of what you write (though I've never really minded the poor customer service in shops, I regard it as part of the bloodymindededness of the British character).

Oxford Street is ghastly. However, during the week it more or less seizes up, clogged to death by buses (especially those bendy bastards). You try cycling up it (or down it, for that matter) during rush-hour...

One thing that has always hacked me off about this damn town - all those wretched metal barriers along the sides of the pavement. If I want to cross the road at a particular point, I'll do it, damnit! Not be constrained by the nannying of some arrogant town planner. They're more dangerous than just letting people cross where they like, as they funnel people into dangerously narrow gaps - outside Holborn station is the worst.

And yes, you're right about the public transport prices. Horrendously excessive for such cruddy service. My advice: get a bike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, good to read that your first impressions are so positive! I have to say, as someone who has lived in London for ten years, I agree with most of what you write (though I&#8217;ve never really minded the poor customer service in shops, I regard it as part of the bloodymindededness of the British character).</p>
<p>Oxford Street is ghastly. However, during the week it more or less seizes up, clogged to death by buses (especially those bendy bastards). You try cycling up it (or down it, for that matter) during rush-hour&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing that has always hacked me off about this damn town - all those wretched metal barriers along the sides of the pavement. If I want to cross the road at a particular point, I&#8217;ll do it, damnit! Not be constrained by the nannying of some arrogant town planner. They&#8217;re more dangerous than just letting people cross where they like, as they funnel people into dangerously narrow gaps - outside Holborn station is the worst.</p>
<p>And yes, you&#8217;re right about the public transport prices. Horrendously excessive for such cruddy service. My advice: get a bike!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I just noticed that you "found" Oxford Street. I am profoundly sorry; no-one should be subjected to it without prior preparation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I just noticed that you &#8220;found&#8221; Oxford Street. I am profoundly sorry; no-one should be subjected to it without prior preparation.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Allport</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-54265</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Allport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not every American shop-worker wants to be your friend forever - there are plenty of examples of rude and lazy service staff here. As a rule of thumb, the larger the town, the worse the service. And government institutions (particularly the post office and the DMVs - the state driving agencies) are notoriously awful. It's that I've-got-a-job-for-life attitude that's truly international.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not every American shop-worker wants to be your friend forever - there are plenty of examples of rude and lazy service staff here. As a rule of thumb, the larger the town, the worse the service. And government institutions (particularly the post office and the DMVs - the state driving agencies) are notoriously awful. It&#8217;s that I&#8217;ve-got-a-job-for-life attitude that&#8217;s truly international.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-54240</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad it's not just me then! I haven't been to the US and only know of its service culture from TV/movies, but I certainly don't want whoever I'm dealing with to act like they're my new best mate -- just some basic manners would suffice. Example: I went to the "Welcome and information" (or something like that) counter at Waitrose, the guy in front of me was served, and then I waited while the woman went on with another task for a couple of minutes, not in any way acknowledging my presence, and even complaining to a co-worker that she was not getting the task done because of all the interruptions.  Eventually she did get to me, and was actually helpful. I wouldn't even have minded waiting for her to get to me if she'd simply said "I'm sorry, I'll be with you in a minute!" instead of pretending I didn't exist. That's all it would have taken for me not to have been really irritated and still going on about it a couple of days later!

Jack, I always enjoy your rants :) It did seem to me that there were lots of people being paid to stand around and not do very much, so it's interesting that you say the same thing. 

Jess, I too am curious now about your negative experience at the BL. I used the St Pancras reading rooms for the first time today (actually for a book you might be interested in, W. Holt-White's &lt;em&gt;The Man who Stole the Earth&lt;/em&gt;, 1909) and found it very smooth process -- I was told off a couple of times for not knowing the procedure but wasn't made to feel like an idiot about it (an induction for new readers might help though). The microfilm printers (and the print/photocopy costs!) at Colindale are another story altogether! They are going to become the bane of my existence here, I can see.

Finally, to soften the negativity somewhat, a positive consumer experience. On Sunday, after trudging nearly a mile down Oxford St looking for a towel, and near closing time, I stopped to buy a milkshake. In desperation, I asked the guy serving me if he knew anywhere I could find a towel. It was the end of the day, I'm sure he was tired, it wasn't in his job description, so he could have just shrugged his shoulders and said "Dunno". Instead he wracked his brains and came up with a shop not far away, which I made with 10 minutes to spare. I was 36 hours without a shower by that stage and may well have gone another 8 or 10 if he hadn't helped me out, so nameless guy at BB's Coffee and Muffins of Oxford St, thanks mate, you're a champion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s not just me then! I haven&#8217;t been to the US and only know of its service culture from TV/movies, but I certainly don&#8217;t want whoever I&#8217;m dealing with to act like they&#8217;re my new best mate &#8212; just some basic manners would suffice. Example: I went to the &#8220;Welcome and information&#8221; (or something like that) counter at Waitrose, the guy in front of me was served, and then I waited while the woman went on with another task for a couple of minutes, not in any way acknowledging my presence, and even complaining to a co-worker that she was not getting the task done because of all the interruptions.  Eventually she did get to me, and was actually helpful. I wouldn&#8217;t even have minded waiting for her to get to me if she&#8217;d simply said &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, I&#8217;ll be with you in a minute!&#8221; instead of pretending I didn&#8217;t exist. That&#8217;s all it would have taken for me not to have been really irritated and still going on about it a couple of days later!</p>
<p>Jack, I always enjoy your rants :) It did seem to me that there were lots of people being paid to stand around and not do very much, so it&#8217;s interesting that you say the same thing. </p>
<p>Jess, I too am curious now about your negative experience at the BL. I used the St Pancras reading rooms for the first time today (actually for a book you might be interested in, W. Holt-White&#8217;s <em>The Man who Stole the Earth</em>, 1909) and found it very smooth process &#8212; I was told off a couple of times for not knowing the procedure but wasn&#8217;t made to feel like an idiot about it (an induction for new readers might help though). The microfilm printers (and the print/photocopy costs!) at Colindale are another story altogether! They are going to become the bane of my existence here, I can see.</p>
<p>Finally, to soften the negativity somewhat, a positive consumer experience. On Sunday, after trudging nearly a mile down Oxford St looking for a towel, and near closing time, I stopped to buy a milkshake. In desperation, I asked the guy serving me if he knew anywhere I could find a towel. It was the end of the day, I&#8217;m sure he was tired, it wasn&#8217;t in his job description, so he could have just shrugged his shoulders and said &#8220;Dunno&#8221;. Instead he wracked his brains and came up with a shop not far away, which I made with 10 minutes to spare. I was 36 hours without a shower by that stage and may well have gone another 8 or 10 if he hadn&#8217;t helped me out, so nameless guy at BB&#8217;s Coffee and Muffins of Oxford St, thanks mate, you&#8217;re a champion!</p>
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		<title>By: Jakob</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-54171</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of bad? I must admit I've only rarely had to use the BL, but I've always been happy with the service - turn up, order books, wait until light goes on, go to pick up stack of books, work, return books. That all ran smoothly enough. Admittedly, I've not requested anything other than plain books, so I may have to revise my opinion.

As for the lack of service, it's partly a cultural thing - US ultra-cheery service always leaves me wanting to do a Garbo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of bad? I must admit I&#8217;ve only rarely had to use the BL, but I&#8217;ve always been happy with the service - turn up, order books, wait until light goes on, go to pick up stack of books, work, return books. That all ran smoothly enough. Admittedly, I&#8217;ve not requested anything other than plain books, so I may have to revise my opinion.</p>
<p>As for the lack of service, it&#8217;s partly a cultural thing - US ultra-cheery service always leaves me wanting to do a Garbo&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Nevins</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-54159</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Nevins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to say that I've found service in London to be horrendous as well. Quite a shock, coming from America. It's one thing to suffer through rude tourists, and to be embarassed for my countrymen abroad--I expected that. But to be enraged at continuous bad service...oy. The British Library has been especially bad. If I or other librarians at my library acted like that and did the things I've seen, we'd be fired. Not given warnings or bad performance appraisals--fired. 

I know the BL is badly run and that the workers have reason for bad morale, but, my god, many of them need a good slapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to say that I&#8217;ve found service in London to be horrendous as well. Quite a shock, coming from America. It&#8217;s one thing to suffer through rude tourists, and to be embarassed for my countrymen abroad&#8211;I expected that. But to be enraged at continuous bad service&#8230;oy. The British Library has been especially bad. If I or other librarians at my library acted like that and did the things I&#8217;ve seen, we&#8217;d be fired. Not given warnings or bad performance appraisals&#8211;fired. </p>
<p>I know the BL is badly run and that the workers have reason for bad morale, but, my god, many of them need a good slapping.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack McGowan</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-54156</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack McGowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to agree with you in rare 'Daily Mail' style: London has the rudest, laziest 'service' industries in the world.  No doubt about it.  The entire economy of the South-East of England is now predicated on hundreds of thousands of people being paid to fail to do (sometimes pointless) jobs.  From "Estate Agents" to 'security guards' to shop-workers, so many take no pride whatsoever in the job that they are doing.  The result is 'service' workers effectively committing fraud by taking wages while deliberately failing to serve.  One could say that is because the jobs are demeaning, but even when that is not the case this attitude is dispiriting (to themselves and us) and endemic.  These are the types of people who tend to come out with profound contemporary 'yoof' 'truisms' like 'I work to live, I don't live to work'.  Like yeah, dude, whateva.

I have a friend who has been pushed to say 'Oi, you work in a shop.  Drop the attitude and serve me.'  Or he just walks out if people are rude.  I've been known to say 'I am the customer.  Even when I'm wrong I'm always right' or 'I'm sorry, I thought you wanted me to buy things in order to pay your wages'.  Now I just walk out too.  That is 'consumer choice' and 'free market economics' in action - which is, after all what Mrs Thatcher taught us would make Britain 'Great' again...  'Respect agenda'? - I think this is where it should start.  

Here endeth rant! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to agree with you in rare &#8216;Daily Mail&#8217; style: London has the rudest, laziest &#8217;service&#8217; industries in the world.  No doubt about it.  The entire economy of the South-East of England is now predicated on hundreds of thousands of people being paid to fail to do (sometimes pointless) jobs.  From &#8220;Estate Agents&#8221; to &#8217;security guards&#8217; to shop-workers, so many take no pride whatsoever in the job that they are doing.  The result is &#8217;service&#8217; workers effectively committing fraud by taking wages while deliberately failing to serve.  One could say that is because the jobs are demeaning, but even when that is not the case this attitude is dispiriting (to themselves and us) and endemic.  These are the types of people who tend to come out with profound contemporary &#8216;yoof&#8217; &#8216;truisms&#8217; like &#8216;I work to live, I don&#8217;t live to work&#8217;.  Like yeah, dude, whateva.</p>
<p>I have a friend who has been pushed to say &#8216;Oi, you work in a shop.  Drop the attitude and serve me.&#8217;  Or he just walks out if people are rude.  I&#8217;ve been known to say &#8216;I am the customer.  Even when I&#8217;m wrong I&#8217;m always right&#8217; or &#8216;I&#8217;m sorry, I thought you wanted me to buy things in order to pay your wages&#8217;.  Now I just walk out too.  That is &#8216;consumer choice&#8217; and &#8216;free market economics&#8217; in action - which is, after all what Mrs Thatcher taught us would make Britain &#8216;Great&#8217; again&#8230;  &#8216;Respect agenda&#8217;? - I think this is where it should start.  </p>
<p>Here endeth rant! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-54128</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex:

Well, that &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; be cheaper than maintaining a full-sized hospital! Perhaps the NHS should look into deploying placebo hospitals more widely.

Jakob:

That thought did occur to me, but I just couldn't resist. I'm happy to say there were no ill after-effects!

Jess:

I found the staff at St Pancras to be very helpful (though I only did the reader registration thing there, this time), the ones at Colindale more of a mixed bag. But that's about what I would expect from my experience with Australian librarians -- about half are fantastic, the rest are just surly. And the proportion of surliness seems to increase with the size of the library. (Though I probably wouldn't be terribly happy if I had to work at Colindale, it must be said!) Overall, though, I'd tentatively regard the BL as one exception (and there are others) to my above snark about service. (I'm not used to being looked at with dismay when I try to get assistance with a purchase. I'm trying to give you money, you pillock, you could at least be pleasant about it!)

Oh yeah, Jess, you may find a &lt;a href="http://airminded.org/2007/01/29/library-of-the-absurd/#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;previous  comments thread&lt;/a&gt; on the BL to be of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex:</p>
<p>Well, that <em>would</em> be cheaper than maintaining a full-sized hospital! Perhaps the NHS should look into deploying placebo hospitals more widely.</p>
<p>Jakob:</p>
<p>That thought did occur to me, but I just couldn&#8217;t resist. I&#8217;m happy to say there were no ill after-effects!</p>
<p>Jess:</p>
<p>I found the staff at St Pancras to be very helpful (though I only did the reader registration thing there, this time), the ones at Colindale more of a mixed bag. But that&#8217;s about what I would expect from my experience with Australian librarians &#8212; about half are fantastic, the rest are just surly. And the proportion of surliness seems to increase with the size of the library. (Though I probably wouldn&#8217;t be terribly happy if I had to work at Colindale, it must be said!) Overall, though, I&#8217;d tentatively regard the BL as one exception (and there are others) to my above snark about service. (I&#8217;m not used to being looked at with dismay when I try to get assistance with a purchase. I&#8217;m trying to give you money, you pillock, you could at least be pleasant about it!)</p>
<p>Oh yeah, Jess, you may find a <a href="http://airminded.org/2007/01/29/library-of-the-absurd/#comments" rel="nofollow">previous  comments thread</a> on the BL to be of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Nevins</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2007/07/09/mind-the-gap/#comment-54059</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Nevins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll be interested to see what you think of the British Library. I've had horrendous experiences with the staff there every time I've gone, but (being a librarian myself) I may be too critical. Or it may be an American-v-British thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be interested to see what you think of the British Library. I&#8217;ve had horrendous experiences with the staff there every time I&#8217;ve gone, but (being a librarian myself) I may be too critical. Or it may be an American-v-British thing.</p>
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