Comments on: Web log beg: London accommodation http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/ Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:09:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Airminded · Web log beg: travel http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-52422 Airminded · Web log beg: travel Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:19:47 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-52422 [...] my previous “web log beg” worked so well, here’s another. Because this is my first trip to Europe, and could well be my [...] [...] my previous “web log beg” worked so well, here’s another. Because this is my first trip to Europe, and could well be my [...]

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49571 Brett Holman Tue, 22 May 2007 14:08:23 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49571 Well, you've got me there Chris, I assume it was something about not wanting to be dependent on NSW for imports, maybe either worries about punitive harbour duties or else that there wouldn't be adequate communications with Sydney and the growth of Canberra might be hampered. Though technically I see it's not now a part of ACT but its <a href="http://www.dotars.gov.au/territories/jervis_bay/index.aspx" rel="nofollow">own territory</a>. I know what you mean Jack, I'd be too embarrassed to call it Great Britain too! Seems anachronistic not to mention boastful. I suppose it could be passed off as post-modern/post-imperial irony these days, though ... Well, you’ve got me there Chris, I assume it was something about not wanting to be dependent on NSW for imports, maybe either worries about punitive harbour duties or else that there wouldn’t be adequate communications with Sydney and the growth of Canberra might be hampered. Though technically I see it’s not now a part of ACT but its own territory.

I know what you mean Jack, I’d be too embarrassed to call it Great Britain too! Seems anachronistic not to mention boastful. I suppose it could be passed off as post-modern/post-imperial irony these days, though …

]]> By: Jack http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49568 Jack Tue, 22 May 2007 13:25:37 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49568 I am _extremely_ glad you pointed out my 'dan' confusion! (I did wonder). Yes, it is that hideous word 'Great' - now misinterpreted, misused and abused - which is at the root of many of the problems, IMHO. One thing I can say with confidence: while some - perhaps many - Scots may be happy (even proud) to say they are 'British', I have never heard one refer to 'Great' Britain. Chronic genetic modesty, y'see. :) I am _extremely_ glad you pointed out my ‘dan’ confusion! (I did wonder). Yes, it is that hideous word ‘Great’ - now misinterpreted, misused and abused - which is at the root of many of the problems, IMHO. One thing I can say with confidence: while some - perhaps many - Scots may be happy (even proud) to say they are ‘British’, I have never heard one refer to ‘Great’ Britain. Chronic genetic modesty, y’see. :)

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49565 Chris Williams Tue, 22 May 2007 12:51:19 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49565 Perhaps we are, but you tell us why Jervis Bay is in the ACT, and only then will we actually admit it. I wonder if TUKOGBANI-based fans of airminded could get it together to all buy Brett a pint of proper beer in London, and a portion of a curry (national meal of London) one night when he's over? Perhaps we are, but you tell us why Jervis Bay is in the ACT, and only then will we actually admit it.

I wonder if TUKOGBANI-based fans of airminded could get it together to all buy Brett a pint of proper beer in London, and a portion of a curry (national meal of London) one night when he’s over?

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49564 Brett Holman Tue, 22 May 2007 12:41:34 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49564 I must point out that the previous "dan" is not "dr dan" but a random passer-by! Also, if a mere colonial may make so bold, while it's true that Great Britain is different from the United Kingdom, Britain (which is the word I used) is not. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_%28terminology" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> says that Britain is the short form of "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and backs that up with links to <a href="http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page823.asp" rel="nofollow">10 Downing Street</a> and the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/page/0,,184840,00.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Guardian's</em> style guide</a>. So "Britain" is greater than "Great Britain"! You're a weird mob, eh. I must point out that the previous “dan” is not “dr dan” but a random passer-by!

Also, if a mere colonial may make so bold, while it’s true that Great Britain is different from the United Kingdom, Britain (which is the word I used) is not. Wikipedia says that Britain is the short form of “the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”, and backs that up with links to 10 Downing Street and the Guardian’s style guide.

So “Britain” is greater than “Great Britain”! You’re a weird mob, eh.

]]> By: Jack http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49554 Jack Tue, 22 May 2007 09:40:04 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49554 Great to hear you're sorted, Brett. Mmm Dr Dan, re UK/GB....that's the constitutional theory, but not always the practice. In these days of Blairite statements such as 'we are the finest nation in the world' I predict that the confusion can only become worse and the identity dispute greater. But then, I come from what the outgoing Edinburgh Labour administration foolishly and repulsively tried to 're-brand' as 'The Best Small Country In The World', so perhaps I would say that, wouldn't I? I feel a burst of the Internationale coming on. Rather than a chorus of this year's _British_ Eurovision Song Contest entry, entitled - with a breathtaking lack of irony - 'We're Flying The Flag, All Over The World......' Maybe not the best time to draw attention to that, eh? Perhaps that's why the 'televoters' of Europe placed 'us' in the bottom four. As Burns would say: 'Oh would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us'! Great to hear you’re sorted, Brett.

Mmm Dr Dan, re UK/GB….that’s the constitutional theory, but not always the practice. In these days of Blairite statements such as ‘we are the finest nation in the world’ I predict that the confusion can only become worse and the identity dispute greater. But then, I come from what the outgoing Edinburgh Labour administration foolishly and repulsively tried to ‘re-brand’ as ‘The Best Small Country In The World’, so perhaps I would say that, wouldn’t I?

I feel a burst of the Internationale coming on. Rather than a chorus of this year’s _British_ Eurovision Song Contest entry, entitled - with a breathtaking lack of irony - ‘We’re Flying The Flag, All Over The World……’ Maybe not the best time to draw attention to that, eh? Perhaps that’s why the ‘televoters’ of Europe placed ‘us’ in the bottom four.

As Burns would say:
‘Oh would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us’!

]]> By: dan http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49550 dan Tue, 22 May 2007 08:48:30 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49550 Simple. UK = GB and Northern Ireland. GB= Scotland Wales England Don't worry, even the English assume they're the only country in the UK. Simple. UK = GB and Northern Ireland.
GB= Scotland Wales England

Don’t worry, even the English assume they’re the only country in the UK.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49259 Brett Holman Fri, 18 May 2007 17:33:14 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49259 By the way, thanks to everyone who gave me accommodation suggestions, and in particularly Adam: I'm now booked in to Goodenough College from 8 July. I've also booked my flight: Qantas to Sydney then BA to London -- seems very appropriate! I did ask but apparently I'm about 60 years too late for the flying boat service :( By the way, thanks to everyone who gave me accommodation suggestions, and in particularly Adam: I’m now booked in to Goodenough College from 8 July. I’ve also booked my flight: Qantas to Sydney then BA to London — seems very appropriate! I did ask but apparently I’m about 60 years too late for the flying boat service :(

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49258 Brett Holman Fri, 18 May 2007 17:27:11 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49258 Jakob, thanks for both the compliment and the tip! I hadn't thought of the RAeS, but of course it would be likely to have some of the things I'd like to look at, such as the Air League's various journals. The British Library should have them too, but maybe there will be gaps or it just might be more convenient at the RAeS library. Jakob, thanks for both the compliment and the tip! I hadn’t thought of the RAeS, but of course it would be likely to have some of the things I’d like to look at, such as the Air League’s various journals. The British Library should have them too, but maybe there will be gaps or it just might be more convenient at the RAeS library.

]]> By: Jakob http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49227 Jakob Fri, 18 May 2007 10:30:47 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/27/web-log-beg-london-accommodation/#comment-49227 Dear Brett, Have you considered the Royal Aeronautical Society's Library (http://www.aerosociety.com/cmspage.asp?cmsitemid=0010)? They're based in central London, and have an excellent collection of aeronautical and airminded periodicals. I know of at least one person who is doing research in your area there (in fact one of David Edgerton's PhD students at Imperial). They do charge a daily access fee for non-members, but given your research topic they might waive that*. It's certainly worth a look. (Full disclosure: I am a member of the RAeS and sit on its historical committee, but am not myself a historian.) Regards, Jakob PS I came across this blog the other day via the yorkshire ranter, and am finding it endlessly fascinating; If you have the time, allow me to buy you a pint when you're in town... *If not, consider becoming a student member; it's something like £30 for three years, which will probably be cheaper. You get to borrow 2 books at a time too. Dear Brett,

Have you considered the Royal Aeronautical Society’s Library (http://www.aerosociety.com/cmspage.asp?cmsitemid=0010)? They’re based in central London, and have an excellent collection of aeronautical and airminded periodicals. I know of at least one person who is doing research in your area there (in fact one of David Edgerton’s PhD students at Imperial).

They do charge a daily access fee for non-members, but given your research topic they might waive that*. It’s certainly worth a look. (Full disclosure: I am a member of the RAeS and sit on its historical committee, but am not myself a historian.)

Regards,

Jakob

PS I came across this blog the other day via the yorkshire ranter, and am finding it endlessly fascinating; If you have the time, allow me to buy you a pint when you’re in town…

*If not, consider becoming a student member; it’s something like £30 for three years, which will probably be cheaper. You get to borrow 2 books at a time too.

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