Comments on: An Anzac on England http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=an-anzac-on-england Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Wed, 23 May 2012 10:08:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-149765 Brett Holman Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:36:42 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-149765 I wonder how and why the no-women thing started. I mean, given the male propensity to ply females with alcohol it seems a bit unnatural. Perhaps it was a wowser victory? <a href="http://bellanta.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Melissa Bellanta</a> would know... I wonder how and why the no-women thing started. I mean, given the male propensity to ply females with alcohol it seems a bit unnatural. Perhaps it was a wowser victory? Melissa Bellanta would know...

]]> By: Neil Datson http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-149689 Neil Datson Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:45:15 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-149689 There was much the same distinction in a lot of English pubs, between the public and the saloon or lounge bars. But sometimes (memory may be serving me false here) it could be between the saloon and the lounge. Prices were different too. Whether there was ever any gender discrimination I don't know, but there was certainly social discrimination. Or, to put a more positive spin on it, your were more likely to find your sort of people in the one or the other. Again, the vestiges remain, though the price differentials don't. There was much the same distinction in a lot of English pubs, between the public and the saloon or lounge bars. But sometimes (memory may be serving me false here) it could be between the saloon and the lounge. Prices were different too. Whether there was ever any gender discrimination I don't know, but there was certainly social discrimination. Or, to put a more positive spin on it, your were more likely to find your sort of people in the one or the other.

Again, the vestiges remain, though the price differentials don't.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-149679 Brett Holman Sun, 26 Sep 2010 05:01:42 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-149679 No, I don't think it was ever illegal, just a (near?) universal custom. And they could actually enter pubs, but only one part of it, the saloon bar (a bit pricier but noicer for the ladies). The so-called public bar was the bigger part of the pub, rougher and rowdier and men-only. Seems that this distinction only began to break down in the 1970s. Actually a lot of pubs still have the two bars, but there's no gender discrimination now. In our defence, women <em>have</em> had the vote here since Federation in 1901... No, I don't think it was ever illegal, just a (near?) universal custom. And they could actually enter pubs, but only one part of it, the saloon bar (a bit pricier but noicer for the ladies). The so-called public bar was the bigger part of the pub, rougher and rowdier and men-only. Seems that this distinction only began to break down in the 1970s. Actually a lot of pubs still have the two bars, but there's no gender discrimination now.

In our defence, women have had the vote here since Federation in 1901...

]]> By: Neil Datson http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-149459 Neil Datson Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:35:45 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-149459 With regard to shouldering the sheilas aside in order to get to the bar - as I'm only an ignorant pom - wasn't it the case that it was actually illegal for women to enter many Australian pubs until relatively recently? With regard to shouldering the sheilas aside in order to get to the bar - as I'm only an ignorant pom - wasn't it the case that it was actually illegal for women to enter many Australian pubs until relatively recently?

]]> By: Airminded · Friday, 20 September 1940 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-149457 Airminded · Friday, 20 September 1940 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:41:15 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-149457 [...] See, I told you there was a lot in this issue of the Spectator -- it's lucky I've already written up 'An Anzac on England'! [...] [...] See, I told you there was a lot in this issue of the Spectator -- it's lucky I've already written up 'An Anzac on England'! [...]

]]> By: JDK http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-104688 JDK Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:00:53 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-104688 "i ask if england has anzac day as i am from england and never aerd of anzacs in england" There are occasional local memorial events in the UK on ANZAC Day, to commemorate ANZAC activities there, such as at Leighterton, where there was a large training base. However ANZAC Day is an official public holiday in Australia and New Zealand, and not in the UK, so it is never an official UK holiday or commemoration. HTH. "i ask if england has anzac day as i am from england and never aerd of anzacs in england"

There are occasional local memorial events in the UK on ANZAC Day, to commemorate ANZAC activities there, such as at Leighterton, where there was a large training base. However ANZAC Day is an official public holiday in Australia and New Zealand, and not in the UK, so it is never an official UK holiday or commemoration.

HTH.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-104677 Brett Holman Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:15:06 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-104677 This may have come too late to be of any use to you, but the answer is no :) This may have come too late to be of any use to you, but the answer is no :)

]]> By: m thomas http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-104292 m thomas Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:09:07 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-104292 i ask if england has anzac day as i am from england and never aerd of anzacs in england i ask if england has anzac day as i am from england and never aerd of anzacs in england

]]> By: Airminded · Straight to the pool room http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-68431 Airminded · Straight to the pool room Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:07:59 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-68431 [...] have to say, though, the post in question is not something I would have picked for my best of 2007: I don’t think it’s [...] [...] have to say, though, the post in question is not something I would have picked for my best of 2007: I don’t think it’s [...]

]]> By: Joe’s Pick of Carnival #52 | History Now http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/comment-page-1/#comment-48140 Joe’s Pick of Carnival #52 | History Now Wed, 02 May 2007 16:07:24 +0000 http://airminded.org/2007/04/25/an-anzac-on-england/#comment-48140 [...] An Anzac on England Commentary on a 1940 “Spectator” article written by an ANZAC soldier stationed in London. The soldier lambasts London for its old and dirty buildings, the British for wasting farmland, and the propensity of the women there to smoke and drink in pubs, among other things. [...] [...] An Anzac on England Commentary on a 1940 “Spectator” article written by an ANZAC soldier stationed in London. The soldier lambasts London for its old and dirty buildings, the British for wasting farmland, and the propensity of the women there to smoke and drink in pubs, among other things. [...]

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