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		<title>By: Hurricane variants - World War 2 Forums</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/11/28/we-wha/comment-page-1/#comment-37127</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurricane variants - World War 2 Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally Posted by Von Poop     Tried looking it up, no joy. So why did they fit a &#039;slip&#039; wing, &amp; why is it called a slip wing? Extra lift? Carriers? why?   Cheers, Adam    A number of sites seem to agree that it was to aid short-take off, but they don&#039;t seem to agree as to whether the top wing also carried extra fuel for range, or was ditched straight after take off.   Comments on: We? Wha?  Feldgrau.net :: View topic - Feldgrau Forum Photo Riddle ?  I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s for carrier operations as the Sea Hurricane already existed. The fact that the project wasn&#039;t scrapped until January 1944 means that the only viable theatre of operations that would require short take off and/or range would be Burma.  At that time, fighter support was a problem because viable airfields were too far behind, and cutting new airfields was harder due to the geography, and lack of mechanical equipment.  __________________ Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Judge of a man by his questions rather than by his answers  Prejudice is opinion without judgement. Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too. Voltaire [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by Von Poop     Tried looking it up, no joy. So why did they fit a 'slip' wing, &amp; why is it called a slip wing? Extra lift? Carriers? why?   Cheers, Adam    A number of sites seem to agree that it was to aid short-take off, but they don't seem to agree as to whether the top wing also carried extra fuel for range, or was ditched straight after take off.   Comments on: We? Wha?  Feldgrau.net :: View topic - Feldgrau Forum Photo Riddle ?  I don't think that it's for carrier operations as the Sea Hurricane already existed. The fact that the project wasn't scrapped until January 1944 means that the only viable theatre of operations that would require short take off and/or range would be Burma.  At that time, fighter support was a problem because viable airfields were too far behind, and cutting new airfields was harder due to the geography, and lack of mechanical equipment.  __________________ Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Judge of a man by his questions rather than by his answers  Prejudice is opinion without judgement. Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too. Voltaire [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/11/28/we-wha/comment-page-1/#comment-9427</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/HILLS%20FH40.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This page&lt;/a&gt; has a photo of the FH.40.

I&#039;ve just been reading Pemberton-Billing&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Defence Against the Night Bomber&lt;/em&gt; (London: Robert Hale, n.d. [1941]). He talks a lot about slip-wing fighters (and bombers) as a solution to various problems. Shorter take-off distance meant that runways could be shorter (he was worried about bomb damage putting them out of action). For night defence, he wanted an aircraft that was an economical cruiser, so it could stay aloft for a long time; but it also needed to be fast in order to overhaul and intercept the enemy bombers. The extra wing area of the slip-wing would take care of the first requirement (though he also suggests variable-area wings as a possible solution). The fighter underneath would then be dropped when the enemy came along. The difference between P-B&#039;s slipwing and the FH.40 is that in P-B&#039;s vision, the upper wing of the slip-wing would itself be a piloted aircraft, and would return to base after dropping its partner.  Sort of an upside-down Mayo Composite. He does consider jettisonable wings, but considers that his idea has more advantages: controlled descent for the slip-wing, less danger of losing power on take-off (extra engine), more company for the lonely patrol pilot (!) I haven&#039;t come across any original drawings of one, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/n_o_d/weird_05.htm#Billing&#039;s%20PB%2037%20Slipwing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; a modern rendering.

He also proposes slip-wing bombers and towed fighters. P-B never did lack imagination, that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/HILLS%20FH40.htm" rel="nofollow">This page</a> has a photo of the FH.40.</p>
<p>I've just been reading Pemberton-Billing's <em>Defence Against the Night Bomber</em> (London: Robert Hale, n.d. [1941]). He talks a lot about slip-wing fighters (and bombers) as a solution to various problems. Shorter take-off distance meant that runways could be shorter (he was worried about bomb damage putting them out of action). For night defence, he wanted an aircraft that was an economical cruiser, so it could stay aloft for a long time; but it also needed to be fast in order to overhaul and intercept the enemy bombers. The extra wing area of the slip-wing would take care of the first requirement (though he also suggests variable-area wings as a possible solution). The fighter underneath would then be dropped when the enemy came along. The difference between P-B's slipwing and the FH.40 is that in P-B's vision, the upper wing of the slip-wing would itself be a piloted aircraft, and would return to base after dropping its partner.  Sort of an upside-down Mayo Composite. He does consider jettisonable wings, but considers that his idea has more advantages: controlled descent for the slip-wing, less danger of losing power on take-off (extra engine), more company for the lonely patrol pilot (!) I haven't come across any original drawings of one, but <a href="http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/n_o_d/weird_05.htm#Billing's%20PB%2037%20Slipwing" rel="nofollow">here's</a> a modern rendering.</p>
<p>He also proposes slip-wing bombers and towed fighters. P-B never did lack imagination, that's for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Allport</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/11/28/we-wha/comment-page-1/#comment-9359</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Allport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, for fans of the most famous CAM Ship pilot in (fictional) history: check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.falconsquadron.sevenpennynightmare.co.uk/intro.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Falcon Squadron project&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, for fans of the most famous CAM Ship pilot in (fictional) history: check out the <a href="http://www.falconsquadron.sevenpennynightmare.co.uk/intro.htm" rel="nofollow">Falcon Squadron project</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Allport</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/11/28/we-wha/comment-page-1/#comment-9356</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Allport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;There were a number of odd one-off Hurricane experiments. One of the more interesting was the &quot;biplane&quot; Hurricane, which featured a jettisonable top wing with integral fuel tanks to reduce take-off distance with heavy loads, and to improve ferry range. The wing required the relocation of the radio mast to the belly of the aircraft. The modification was implemented by F. Hills &amp; Sons and was designated the &quot;Hillson FH.40&quot;. It proved too heavy to be serviceable.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avhurr.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, including a picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"There were a number of odd one-off Hurricane experiments. One of the more interesting was the "biplane" Hurricane, which featured a jettisonable top wing with integral fuel tanks to reduce take-off distance with heavy loads, and to improve ferry range. The wing required the relocation of the radio mast to the belly of the aircraft. The modification was implemented by F. Hills &amp; Sons and was designated the "Hillson FH.40". It proved too heavy to be serviceable."</i> See <a href="http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avhurr.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, including a picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/11/28/we-wha/comment-page-1/#comment-9345</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biplane Hurricane project? Tell me more, that sounds truly barkingly batshit insane. I can imagine that if a biplane could pitch to a higher AoA before stalling, it could perhaps gain enough angle-of-climb to give it higher vertical speed compared to a faster but shallower climbing monoplane, but I suspect that, as the monoplane&#039;s speed increases, it would outweigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biplane Hurricane project? Tell me more, that sounds truly barkingly batshit insane. I can imagine that if a biplane could pitch to a higher AoA before stalling, it could perhaps gain enough angle-of-climb to give it higher vertical speed compared to a faster but shallower climbing monoplane, but I suspect that, as the monoplane's speed increases, it would outweigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/11/28/we-wha/comment-page-1/#comment-9255</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t biplanes do better on rate of climb? I thought that this was the reason that the Sopwith Triplane was such a success, and the thinking behind the biplane Hurricane project. 

OTOH, what I know about aerodynamics is largely derived from _Neville Duke&#039;s Book Of Flying_ which is cool, but far from exhaustive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't biplanes do better on rate of climb? I thought that this was the reason that the Sopwith Triplane was such a success, and the thinking behind the biplane Hurricane project. </p>
<p>OTOH, what I know about aerodynamics is largely derived from _Neville Duke's Book Of Flying_ which is cool, but far from exhaustive.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/11/28/we-wha/comment-page-1/#comment-9248</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His argument is very strange, too - rate of climb is determined by angle of attack and air speed, so there isn&#039;t really a tradeoff between speed and RoC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His argument is very strange, too - rate of climb is determined by angle of attack and air speed, so there isn't really a tradeoff between speed and RoC.</p>
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