Comments on: Air control in pictures http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/ Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:25:56 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Hanaw M-Taqi M-AMIN http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-114678 Hanaw M-Taqi M-AMIN Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:10:43 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-114678 I am as Master studnet I will use the photos of sulaimaniyah from your photos for evaluating sulaimaniyah city formation in that period , thanks for these photos. they are good sourses I am as Master studnet I will use the photos of sulaimaniyah from your photos for evaluating sulaimaniyah city formation in that period , thanks for these photos. they are good sourses

]]> By: - The Gatehouse http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-103994 - The Gatehouse Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:23:53 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-103994 [...] are thoroughly researched and occasionally feature collections of vintage photographs, such as this one.Steampunk Magazine released its fifth issue a couple of days ago. This is the first issue published [...] [...] are thoroughly researched and occasionally feature collections of vintage photographs, such as this one.Steampunk Magazine released its fifth issue a couple of days ago. This is the first issue published [...]

]]> By: pureweevil http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-103783 pureweevil Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:33:06 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-103783 thank you, i'll follow those up. great blog btw. thank you, i’ll follow those up. great blog btw.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-103776 Brett Holman Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:20:24 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-103776 Interesting, thanks. Haven't read that one though I did like <em>Fighter Boys</em>. I think the best bet for the 1920s would be newsreels of the annual RAF Pageant at Hendon. There might also be some of the (also annual) air defence exercises held (I think) from the late 1920s? They were certainly widely reported in print media. Interesting, thanks. Haven’t read that one though I did like Fighter Boys.

I think the best bet for the 1920s would be newsreels of the annual RAF Pageant at Hendon. There might also be some of the (also annual) air defence exercises held (I think) from the late 1920s? They were certainly widely reported in print media.

]]> By: pureweevil http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-103768 pureweevil Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:27:09 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-103768 i guess most of that kind of evidence would never have reached paper, and it's too late to find out how much internalised 'opposition' there was. there are some example's of aircrews' misgivings in ch8 of 'bomber boys' (patrick bishop). eg 'It must have been hell on earth for the poor devils down below. Mass murder. Whole families wiped out no doubt. I could not help but think when the bombs left the a/c what a terrible thing I am doing. It must be wrong.' (Johnny Jones, 1945) i'm doing some research for a documentary about sven lindqvist's 'a history of bombing'. have you come across any archive film footage of the raf in the 1920's? i can't seem to find much out there. i guess most of that kind of evidence would never have reached paper, and it’s too late to find out how much internalised ‘opposition’ there was. there are some example’s of aircrews’ misgivings in ch8 of ‘bomber boys’ (patrick bishop).

eg ‘It must have been hell on earth for the poor devils down below. Mass murder. Whole families wiped out no doubt. I could not help but think when the bombs left the a/c what a terrible thing I am doing. It must be wrong.’ (Johnny Jones, 1945)

i’m doing some research for a documentary about sven lindqvist’s ‘a history of bombing’. have you come across any archive film footage of the raf in the 1920’s? i can’t seem to find much out there.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-102832 Brett Holman Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:41:19 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-102832 Certainly Harris wouldn't have stood for euphemisms at Hendon! Do you really think there were substantial numbers of Bomber Command aircrew who opposed area bombing in any way? I haven't seen much evidence for that, but I don't know that anyone has really looked. Certainly Harris wouldn’t have stood for euphemisms at Hendon! Do you really think there were substantial numbers of Bomber Command aircrew who opposed area bombing in any way? I haven’t seen much evidence for that, but I don’t know that anyone has really looked.

]]> By: pureweevil http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-102268 pureweevil Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:44:34 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-102268 that's true, it's just sad that we let them get away with it - our docklands museum doesn't shy away from the suffering caused by britain's slave trade, and there would be an outcry if it did. i think it might also be a disservice to the aircrews of bomber command - many of them were unhappy about the targeting of civilians and their views also get swept under the historical carpet. harris himself was fed up with the air ministry's pretence that they were targeting military/industrial targets only. a frank depiction of the full picture wouldn't leave the bomber crews in that postwar limbo of the political establishment's selfserving amnesia. i'm not sure re photo - that long column of smoke looks like a bit of photoshop v.1924. fascinating either way. that’s true, it’s just sad that we let them get away with it – our docklands museum doesn’t shy away from the suffering caused by britain’s slave trade, and there would be an outcry if it did.

i think it might also be a disservice to the aircrews of bomber command – many of them were unhappy about the targeting of civilians and their views also get swept under the historical carpet.
harris himself was fed up with the air ministry’s pretence that they were targeting military/industrial targets only. a frank depiction of the full picture wouldn’t leave the bomber crews in that postwar limbo of the political establishment’s selfserving amnesia.

i’m not sure re photo – that long column of smoke looks like a bit of photoshop v.1924. fascinating either way.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-102161 Brett Holman Sun, 05 Apr 2009 09:04:03 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-102161 No, I didn't find that the RAF Museum really confronted such things head-on; much easier to talk about the Battle of Britain and the Blitz. Still, maybe one shouldn't expect too much of a museum so closely tied to one service. The photos don't look doctored to me. It's hard to see why they would be -- they weren't for publication. (I can't actually recall seeing photos like this which were published at the time, which is why I found these so striking.) No, I didn’t find that the RAF Museum really confronted such things head-on; much easier to talk about the Battle of Britain and the Blitz. Still, maybe one shouldn’t expect too much of a museum so closely tied to one service.

The photos don’t look doctored to me. It’s hard to see why they would be — they weren’t for publication. (I can’t actually recall seeing photos like this which were published at the time, which is why I found these so striking.)

]]> By: pureweevil http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-102076 pureweevil Sat, 04 Apr 2009 12:48:37 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-102076 the chilling phrase 'policing the empire' is still used without irony at the raf museum in hendon, london. there is no reference to the thousands of civilian deaths inflicted by our aerial constables. even the wwII bombs on display are merely for 'dehousing' enemy civilians. not sure how we can still get away with using vintage euphemisms. incidentally does anyone think the Sulaimaniyah bombing photograph is doctored? the smoke looks superimposed, perhaps to give the impression of a 'surgical' police action. the chilling phrase ‘policing the empire’ is still used without irony at the raf museum in hendon, london. there is no reference to the thousands of civilian deaths inflicted by our aerial constables.
even the wwII bombs on display are merely for ‘dehousing’ enemy civilians. not sure how we can still get away with using vintage euphemisms.
incidentally does anyone think the Sulaimaniyah bombing photograph is doctored? the smoke looks superimposed, perhaps to give the impression of a ’surgical’ police action.

]]> By: KORDO .H http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-pictures/comment-page-1/#comment-96765 KORDO .H Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:40:15 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/10/14/air-control-in-action/#comment-96765 Bombing Sulimania city/1922 ,that was the way for the Britain Colonization powr at any time,and it was beging to how devided kurdistan in future,that was happend after second warwarled 1946/on four peaces, for 4 nationnalist country Turksh,Sirya,Persien and Iraq. Bliv me brass tacks and facts show that treason willnot be forever aginst kurds, the real map must be fixed so far, fourty million KORDS with no ID is not easy for 21 Contry in Middle East , noway for that. Bombing Sulimania city/1922 ,that was the way for the Britain Colonization powr at any time,and it was beging to how devided kurdistan in future,that was happend after second warwarled 1946/on four peaces, for 4 nationnalist country Turksh,Sirya,Persien and Iraq. Bliv me brass tacks and facts show that treason willnot be forever aginst kurds, the real map must be fixed so far, fourty million KORDS with no ID is not easy for 21 Contry in Middle East , noway for that.

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