Comments on: Trouble at Millwall http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=trouble-at-millwall Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:09:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-156996 Brett Holman Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:54:53 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-156996 Thanks for the update, Gazza! I don't think 5000 metres would be too high, if anything it's a bit low -- it's 14400 feet and the operational orders for the 7 September raid had the bombers coming in at between 15000 and 20000 feet. This would have been taken by a recon flight though, not sure what its height would have been. From the reference in <em>The Blitz: Then and Now</em>, the film from the flight still exists, possibly in the US National Archives, and it looks like whoever wrote it up (it's a multi-author work) had seen it as they give individual frame numbers. That would seem to be the best place to look... Thanks for the update, Gazza! I don't think 5000 metres would be too high, if anything it's a bit low -- it's 14400 feet and the operational orders for the 7 September raid had the bombers coming in at between 15000 and 20000 feet. This would have been taken by a recon flight though, not sure what its height would have been. From the reference in The Blitz: Then and Now, the film from the flight still exists, possibly in the US National Archives, and it looks like whoever wrote it up (it's a multi-author work) had seen it as they give individual frame numbers. That would seem to be the best place to look...

]]> By: Gazza http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-156990 Gazza Wed, 02 Feb 2011 22:02:08 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-156990 As a follow up 4 years on, a couple of 1945 - 1947 bomb damage survey photographs have come to my notice. http://www.millwall-history.co.uk/The%20Den1945Small.gif http://www.millwall-history.co.uk/The%20Den1947Small.gif Also Google Earth now have 1945 coverage of London, which allows you to replicate the height of the German photo which does seem to be around 5,000 metres, which would be far too high! Another German photo from 7th September 1940 seems more genuine was shot over the Victoria Dock/West Ham Stadium http://www.monkhardy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/royaldocks080940aX.jpg As a follow up 4 years on, a couple of 1945 - 1947 bomb damage survey photographs have come to my notice.

http://www.millwall-history.co.uk/The%20Den1945Small.gif

http://www.millwall-history.co.uk/The%20Den1947Small.gif

Also Google Earth now have 1945 coverage of London, which allows you to replicate the height of the German photo which does seem to be around 5,000 metres, which would be far too high!

Another German photo from 7th September 1940 seems more genuine was shot over the Victoria Dock/West Ham Stadium

http://www.monkhardy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/royaldocks080940aX.jpg

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-156898 Brett Holman Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:17:36 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-156898 Probably best to contact the Imperial War Museum <a href="http://collections.iwm.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">Collections</a>; they hold a copy of the photo as image number C5422. The US National Archives may have a copy, the same goes for the German Bundesarchiv, but I wouldn't know how to find it. Probably best to contact the Imperial War Museum Collections; they hold a copy of the photo as image number C5422. The US National Archives may have a copy, the same goes for the German Bundesarchiv, but I wouldn't know how to find it.

]]> By: Andrew Rennie http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-156877 Andrew Rennie Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:32:12 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-156877 Hello, I am working on a book on Australian pilot killed during the Battle of Britain, Flt Lt Richard Carew Reynell. Richard was killed on the 7th of September 1940 he and his Hurricane (V7257) fell to earth at Blackheath, Richard has exited the aircraft but his parachute failed to open. In the photogrametry photo from the 7th of September shown above Blackheath can be seen. I was wondering where this photo was obtained from and if it is available in a higher clarity? Dependant on the time the photogrametry picture was taken I may be able to pick out the smoke or wrekage of Dick Reynells aircraft on the Point at Blackheath. Regards Andrew Rennie Hello,
I am working on a book on Australian pilot killed during the Battle of Britain, Flt Lt Richard Carew Reynell. Richard was killed on the 7th of September 1940 he and his Hurricane (V7257) fell to earth at Blackheath, Richard has exited the aircraft but his parachute failed to open. In the photogrametry photo from the 7th of September shown above Blackheath can be seen. I was wondering where this photo was obtained from and if it is available in a higher clarity? Dependant on the time the photogrametry picture was taken I may be able to pick out the smoke or wrekage of Dick Reynells aircraft on the Point at Blackheath.
Regards
Andrew Rennie

]]> By: Best Bomber Picture of WW2... - Page 2 - World War 2 Talk http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-96340 Best Bomber Picture of WW2... - Page 2 - World War 2 Talk Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:03:50 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-96340 [...] photo this roof appears to be missing. I may be able to find the link on my computer at home. Airminded ? Trouble at Millwall It looks real to me but make your own minds up. __________________ 'There I stood at the bar, [...] [...] photo this roof appears to be missing. I may be able to find the link on my computer at home. Airminded ? Trouble at Millwall It looks real to me but make your own minds up. __________________ 'There I stood at the bar, [...]

]]> By: South East London during the Blitz - World War 2 Talk http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-89796 South East London during the Blitz - World War 2 Talk Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:52:35 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-89796 [...] discussion asking whether the famous picture of a Heinkel over the Den is fake or real? Airminded ? Trouble at Millwall Kind [...] [...] discussion asking whether the famous picture of a Heinkel over the Den is fake or real? Airminded ? Trouble at Millwall Kind [...]

]]> By: Airminded · Return to Millwall http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-84253 Airminded · Return to Millwall Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:23:45 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-84253 [...] of my favourite posts here was one I wrote almost two years ago, about a claim that a certain well-known photo of the London Blitz was faked. Not only for the post itself, but for the ensuing discussion, which led me to change my mind on [...] [...] of my favourite posts here was one I wrote almost two years ago, about a claim that a certain well-known photo of the London Blitz was faked. Not only for the post itself, but for the ensuing discussion, which led me to change my mind on [...]

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-66319 Brett Holman Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:59:41 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-66319 Thanks, Joe, you're right. A bit of local knowledge helps! Thanks, Joe, you're right. A bit of local knowledge helps!

]]> By: Joe Pitcher http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-66280 Joe Pitcher Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:24:04 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-66280 The smoke in the bottom two pictures is almost certainly coming from Deptford power station, which still stands but has not been operational since the early eighties. Joe Pitcher New Cross The smoke in the bottom two pictures is almost certainly coming from Deptford power station, which still stands but has not been operational since the early eighties.

Joe Pitcher
New Cross

]]> By: Gazza http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/comment-page-1/#comment-37881 Gazza Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:58:51 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/09/08/trouble-at-millwall/#comment-37881 Don't mind at all being challenged to back up a statement. I haven't contacted the IWM, might be worth sending them an e-mail. The issue was raised in the Guardian in August 2006....Corrections and clarifications http://www.guardian.co.uk/corrections/story/0,,1855309,00.html Don't mind at all being challenged to back up a statement.

I haven't contacted the IWM, might be worth sending them an e-mail.

The issue was raised in the Guardian in August 2006....Corrections and clarifications

http://www.guardian.co.uk/corrections/story/0,,1855309,00.html

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