Comments on: Orwell and the knock-out blow http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:36:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-404 Brett Holman Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:02:12 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/#comment-404 Well, I only knew when Wigan Pier was published because I'd just read it in the introduction to my Penguin edition :) I'm certainly no Orwell scholar, I think this is the first of his I've read, aside from maybe Animal Farm in school. I'm currently only up to the 1920s in my trawl through the primary sources for the knock-out blow, so I wouldn't like to get too specific ... but yes, I suspect the peak probably would be around 1937, or perhaps 1938 (ie Munich). I do get the impression that people were much more sanguine about air defence in 1939 than 1938 -- so maybe it was the reassuring effect of increasing numbers of smart new Hurricanes and Spitfires being delivered to the RAF. The RDF stations were secret until 1942 (IIRC), so they wouldn't have affected public confidence, but perhaps their existence led to more confident pronouncements on the part of officialdom? Well, I only knew when Wigan Pier was published because I'd just read it in the introduction to my Penguin edition :) I'm certainly no Orwell scholar, I think this is the first of his I've read, aside from maybe Animal Farm in school.

I'm currently only up to the 1920s in my trawl through the primary sources for the knock-out blow, so I wouldn't like to get too specific ... but yes, I suspect the peak probably would be around 1937, or perhaps 1938 (ie Munich). I do get the impression that people were much more sanguine about air defence in 1939 than 1938 -- so maybe it was the reassuring effect of increasing numbers of smart new Hurricanes and Spitfires being delivered to the RAF. The RDF stations were secret until 1942 (IIRC), so they wouldn't have affected public confidence, but perhaps their existence led to more confident pronouncements on the part of officialdom?

]]> By: Alex http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-403 Alex Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:55:31 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/#comment-403 Ah well, that's the answer then - I'm just ignorant. (It's also interesting that in the interval the Spitfire had its first flight and, I think, the Bawdsey radar station was switched on. Was 1937 the peak year for the KOB?) Ah well, that's the answer then - I'm just ignorant. (It's also interesting that in the interval the Spitfire had its first flight and, I think, the Bawdsey radar station was switched on. Was 1937 the peak year for the KOB?)

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-400 Brett Holman Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:38:01 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/#comment-400 There was often an assumption that specific areas in a city could be accurately targeted by a formation of bombers -- I don't mean pinpoint accuracy, but something like the Houses of Parliament, or Whitehall, could be wiped out. That was one part of the knock-out blow theory -- the idea that industrial society was a delicate and complex mechanism that could not function if certain key components were destroyed. So Orwell could have been thinking of that. As for 4GW ... well, I don't know too much about it, but the basic idea has probably always been true, the problem is that societies are more resilient than they might appear, you need a truly massive strike to take out the multiple redundancies, for a true knock-out blow. IMHO! He wrote Wigan Pier before he went to Spain (his wife saw it through publication while he was over there), and I think Aspidistra was also before Spain. But Coming Up was after, and it seems to me (admittedly only from cherry-picking) that he gave less credence to the power of the bomber in that than in the earlier two books, in the same chapter Chris quotes above Orwell says of London, 'The bombs aren't made that could smash it out of existence'. Bombing seems to be just another hardship that will have to be endured because of fascism in that book, not necessarily a great catastrophe, but as I say I haven't read it so I could very easily be wrong. There was often an assumption that specific areas in a city could be accurately targeted by a formation of bombers -- I don't mean pinpoint accuracy, but something like the Houses of Parliament, or Whitehall, could be wiped out. That was one part of the knock-out blow theory -- the idea that industrial society was a delicate and complex mechanism that could not function if certain key components were destroyed. So Orwell could have been thinking of that. As for 4GW ... well, I don't know too much about it, but the basic idea has probably always been true, the problem is that societies are more resilient than they might appear, you need a truly massive strike to take out the multiple redundancies, for a true knock-out blow. IMHO!

He wrote Wigan Pier before he went to Spain (his wife saw it through publication while he was over there), and I think Aspidistra was also before Spain. But Coming Up was after, and it seems to me (admittedly only from cherry-picking) that he gave less credence to the power of the bomber in that than in the earlier two books, in the same chapter Chris quotes above Orwell says of London, 'The bombs aren't made that could smash it out of existence'. Bombing seems to be just another hardship that will have to be endured because of fascism in that book, not necessarily a great catastrophe, but as I say I haven't read it so I could very easily be wrong.

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-396 Chris Williams Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:00:48 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/#comment-396 And again - http://www.george-orwell.org/Coming_up_for_Air/22.html/bombs "War is coming. 1941, they say. And there'll be plenty of broken crockery, and little houses ripped open like packing-cases, and the guts of the chartered accountant's clerk plastered over the piano that he's buying on the never-never. But what does that kind of thing matter, anyway? I'll tell you what my stay in Lower Binfield had taught me, and it was this. IT'S ALL GOING TO HAPPEN. All the things you've got at the back of your mind, the things you're terrified of, the things that you tell yourself are just a nightmare or only happen in foreign countries. The bombs the food-queues, the rubber truncheons, the barbed wire, the coloured shirts, the slogans, the enormous faces, the machine-guns squirting out of bedroom windows. It's all going to happen. I know it--at any rate, I knew it then. There's no escape. Fight against it if you like, or look the other way and pretend not to notice, or grab your spanner and rush out to do a bit of face-smashing along with the others. But there's no way out. It's just something that's got to happen. " And again -
http://www.george-orwell.org/Coming_up_for_Air/22.html/bombs

"War is coming. 1941, they say. And there'll be plenty of broken
crockery, and little houses ripped open like packing-cases, and the
guts of the chartered accountant's clerk plastered over the piano
that he's buying on the never-never. But what does that kind of
thing matter, anyway? I'll tell you what my stay in Lower Binfield
had taught me, and it was this. IT'S ALL GOING TO HAPPEN. All the
things you've got at the back of your mind, the things you're
terrified of, the things that you tell yourself are just a
nightmare or only happen in foreign countries. The bombs the
food-queues, the rubber truncheons, the barbed wire, the coloured
shirts, the slogans, the enormous faces, the machine-guns squirting
out of bedroom windows. It's all going to happen. I know it--at
any rate, I knew it then. There's no escape. Fight against it if
you like, or look the other way and pretend not to notice, or grab
your spanner and rush out to do a bit of face-smashing along with
the others. But there's no way out. It's just something that's
got to happen. "

]]> By: Alex http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-395 Alex Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:44:25 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/#comment-395 It's interesting that Orwell bought into the KOB despite having been a target of unsuccessful strategic bombing himself. ISTR <i>Homage to Catalonia</i> describes the people of Barcelona keeping their chins up, stiff upper lips etc under fascist air raids quite a bit. Off-topic, or at least tangentially, how important is that "well-placed"? If you think in terms of terrorist/saboteur bombs placed on key infrastructure targets he was probably considerably more right. It might pay to follow the 4th Generation Warfare debate in the blogosphere, as the whole John Robb global guerrilla thang is based on blowing up bits of networked infrastructure in order to effect a KOB. It's interesting that Orwell bought into the KOB despite having been a target of unsuccessful strategic bombing himself. ISTR Homage to Catalonia describes the people of Barcelona keeping their chins up, stiff upper lips etc under fascist air raids quite a bit.

Off-topic, or at least tangentially, how important is that "well-placed"? If you think in terms of terrorist/saboteur bombs placed on key infrastructure targets he was probably considerably more right. It might pay to follow the 4th Generation Warfare debate in the blogosphere, as the whole John Robb global guerrilla thang is based on blowing up bits of networked infrastructure in order to effect a KOB.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-394 Brett Holman Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:37:57 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/#comment-394 Thanks, looks like I need to read more Orwell! <em>Keep the Aspidistra Flying</em> does seem to have <a href="http://www.george-orwell.org/Keep_the_Aspidistra_Flying/5.html/bombs" rel="nofollow">such sentiments</a>: 'the hatred of modern life, the desire to see our money-civilization blown to hell by bombs, was a thing he genuinely felt'. Thanks, looks like I need to read more Orwell! Keep the Aspidistra Flying does seem to have such sentiments: 'the hatred of modern life, the desire to see our money-civilization blown to hell by bombs, was a thing he genuinely felt'.

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-393 Chris Williams Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:29:28 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/03/28/orwell-and-the-knock-out-blow/#comment-393 ISTR that Orwell ends _Keep the Aspidistra Flying_ with the main character expressing a desire for the knockout blow. Or is it _Coming up for Air_? Probably the latter, given the former's relatively upbeat ending. ISTR that Orwell ends _Keep the Aspidistra Flying_ with the main character expressing a desire for the knockout blow. Or is it _Coming up for Air_? Probably the latter, given the former's relatively upbeat ending.

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