Comments on: An extremely brief guide to early aeronautical terms, ca. 1909 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/ Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:05:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Don Smith http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-77072 Don Smith Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:25:00 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-77072 Very interesting. Reading this made me think of riding in my parents' car as a child, hand out the window "aero-planing" in the wind-blast. And of course the remarkable (true?) tale of the one-winged F-15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLKmtIKccs Very interesting. Reading this made me think of riding in my parents’ car as a child, hand out the window “aero-planing” in the wind-blast. And of course the remarkable (true?) tale of the one-winged F-15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLKmtIKccs

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-77011 Brett Holman Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:39:53 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-77011 Thanks! Thanks!

]]> By: Ian Evans http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-76894 Ian Evans Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:01:47 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-76894 From "Early Flying Machine", a Camden reprint (2003) of exerpts from "Engineering Wonders of the World", (Nelson, c.1909) "In the present article, the term flying machine is synonymous with aeroplane. "Aeroplane" is not a happy term in itself, because planes seldom form part of a flying machine, whereas the curved or cambered deck is always used, at least for the main sustaining surfaces" "It was proved conclusively that (a) a true plane had not, area for area, so great a sustaining power as a slightly curved surface, convex on the upper side. Horatio Phillips, and subsequently Maxim demonstrated by elaborate tests that (b) an aeroplane (we here apply the term to a sustaining surface, not to a machine)....... was most efficient" Another interesting usage:- "Bleriot, Latham, and others have chosen the alternative of the monoplane, having a single deck subdivided into two wings, one on each side of a central "body"." From “Early Flying Machine”, a Camden reprint (2003) of exerpts from “Engineering Wonders of the World”, (Nelson, c.1909)
“In the present article, the term flying machine is synonymous with aeroplane. “Aeroplane” is not a happy term in itself, because planes seldom form part of a flying machine, whereas the curved or cambered deck is always used, at least for the main sustaining surfaces”
“It was proved conclusively that (a) a true plane had not, area for area, so great a sustaining power as a slightly curved surface, convex on the upper side. Horatio Phillips, and subsequently Maxim demonstrated by elaborate tests that (b) an aeroplane (we here apply the term to a sustaining surface, not to a machine)……. was most efficient”

Another interesting usage:- “Bleriot, Latham, and others have chosen the alternative of the monoplane, having a single deck subdivided into two wings, one on each side of a central “body”.”

]]> By: Jakob http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-76889 Jakob Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:12:11 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-76889 A quick browse through Gibbs-Smith suggests that Cayley talked about measuring the lift and drag on 'inclined planes', but doesn't seem to use 'aeroplane' itself. A quick browse through Gibbs-Smith suggests that Cayley talked about measuring the lift and drag on ‘inclined planes’, but doesn’t seem to use ‘aeroplane’ itself.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-76823 Brett Holman Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:15:26 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-76823 Thanks! Could well be -- I must confess to not having read my Cayley! The OED has the first cite for aeroplane in this sense is from 1866, by F. H. Wenham (the inventor of the wind tunnel): 'In the flying mechanism of beetles..when the..wing-cases are opened, they are checked by a stop, which sets them at a fixed angle. It is probable that these serve as ‘aeroplanes’, for carrying the weight of the insect.' <em>1st Ann. Rep. Aëronaut. Soc.</em> 33 (I didn't realise that the RAeS originally had the diaresis in its name ... I wonder if there's such a thing as a steampunk diaresis, to go with the heavy metal umlaut?) Octave Chanute, Gertrude Bacon and F. W. Lanchester are also cited, among others. Last cite from 1910, by Richard Ferris. There's also the following note: <blockquote>In the period to 1900 when aircraft were still rudimentary in design and the word was still active in sense 1 the denotation is sometimes not clearly either ‘a surface’ or ‘an aircraft’, but something between the two concepts (see quots. 1868 , 18942 , 1896). For a full discussion of the development of the term in this period see S. Stubelius <em>Airship, Aeroplane, Aircraft</em> (1958 ) 251ff.</blockquote> Thanks! Could well be — I must confess to not having read my Cayley! The OED has the first cite for aeroplane in this sense is from 1866, by F. H. Wenham (the inventor of the wind tunnel): ‘In the flying mechanism of beetles..when the..wing-cases are opened, they are checked by a stop, which sets them at a fixed angle. It is probable that these serve as ‘aeroplanes’, for carrying the weight of the insect.’ 1st Ann. Rep. Aëronaut. Soc. 33 (I didn’t realise that the RAeS originally had the diaresis in its name … I wonder if there’s such a thing as a steampunk diaresis, to go with the heavy metal umlaut?)

Octave Chanute, Gertrude Bacon and F. W. Lanchester are also cited, among others. Last cite from 1910, by Richard Ferris. There’s also the following note:

In the period to 1900 when aircraft were still rudimentary in design and the word was still active in sense 1 the denotation is sometimes not clearly either ‘a surface’ or ‘an aircraft’, but something between the two concepts (see quots. 1868 , 18942 , 1896). For a full discussion of the development of the term in this period see S. Stubelius Airship, Aeroplane, Aircraft (1958 ) 251ff.

]]> By: Jakob http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-76778 Jakob Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:29:04 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-76778 I think George Cayley used it to mean wing - I assume it's from 'plane surface', and possibly 'inclined plane'. I think George Cayley used it to mean wing – I assume it’s from ‘plane surface’, and possibly ‘inclined plane’.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-76773 Brett Holman Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:07:49 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-76773 LOL, sorry -- I think I intended this post to be deliberately confusing. (Nobody read the blog back then so it probably didn't seem to matter!) My point was that the terminology was inconsistent at this point in time and that relying on the definitions of even a few years later might lead one astray. Having said that, aeroplane does generally mean 'aeroplane' in most works of this period; using it to mean 'wing' may have been a peculiarity of Hiram Maxim, who wrote the introduction to Hearne's book and was of the pre-Wright generation of aviation experimenters. Hearne himself used it in the later sense. LOL, sorry — I think I intended this post to be deliberately confusing. (Nobody read the blog back then so it probably didn’t seem to matter!) My point was that the terminology was inconsistent at this point in time and that relying on the definitions of even a few years later might lead one astray. Having said that, aeroplane does generally mean ‘aeroplane’ in most works of this period; using it to mean ‘wing’ may have been a peculiarity of Hiram Maxim, who wrote the introduction to Hearne’s book and was of the pre-Wright generation of aviation experimenters. Hearne himself used it in the later sense.

]]> By: Don Smith http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-76703 Don Smith Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:27:23 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-76703 errrr ... an aeroplane is the wing of an aeroplane? errrr … an aeroplane is the wing of an aeroplane?

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-76389 Brett Holman Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-76389 Unfortunately I'm still writing it! Come back early next year ... Unfortunately I’m still writing it! Come back early next year …

]]> By: aeronautics today http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-76377 aeronautics today Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:56:44 +0000 http://airminded.org/2006/01/29/an-extremely-brief-guide-to-early-aeronautical-terms-ca-1909/#comment-76377 Brett, can i read your tesis as my reference? Brett, can i read your tesis as my reference?

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