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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-84082</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I couldn&#039;t agree more with your opinion on the history of Britain, Tom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I couldn&#8217;t agree more with your opinion on the history of Britain, Tom!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-83940</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that the history of Britain is really intresting and that the wisdom used by the liberals durring the 1906 election was top class</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that the history of Britain is really intresting and that the wisdom used by the liberals durring the 1906 election was top class</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I think it&#039;s better to concentrate on getting the PhD now, and then the book deals, TV don gigs and fame and fortune generally are sure to follow! I mean that&#039;s practically guaranteed, right? :D

I&#039;ll have to look out for the documentary - they sometimes pop up over here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think it&#8217;s better to concentrate on getting the PhD now, and then the book deals, TV don gigs and fame and fortune generally are sure to follow! I mean that&#8217;s practically guaranteed, right? :D</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to look out for the documentary &#8211; they sometimes pop up over here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A final postscript to our alcohol debate.  I&#039;ve just watched a BBC Four documentary which made me wonder if someone at the Beeb is an &#039;Airminded&#039; fan:

&quot;Tired and Emotional&quot;        
Wed 25 Jan, 21:00 - 22:00  60 mins      
Do drink and politics mix?
The history of British politics is partly one of mammoth drinking sessions and politicians fortifying themselves to cope with the demands of the job. From Churchill&#039;s whisky glass to George Brown&#039;s tired and emotional reputation, some of our leaders&#039; best, and worst, professional episodes have been carried out under the influence. 
Eddie Mair explores the history of drink in the corridors of power, and how social attitudes of what is, and isn&#039;t, acceptable have changed from &#039;squiffy&#039; Asquith and William Pitt the Younger to the Liberal Democrat&#039;s recent woes.

Unfortunately, this was a hugely missed opportunity: shallow, &#039;whimsical&#039;, narrative history which never rose anywhere near the level of analysis.  Perhaps we should move into Anglo-Australian television production, Brett?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A final postscript to our alcohol debate.  I&#8217;ve just watched a BBC Four documentary which made me wonder if someone at the Beeb is an &#8216;Airminded&#8217; fan:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tired and Emotional&#8221;<br />
Wed 25 Jan, 21:00 &#8211; 22:00  60 mins<br />
Do drink and politics mix?<br />
The history of British politics is partly one of mammoth drinking sessions and politicians fortifying themselves to cope with the demands of the job. From Churchill&#8217;s whisky glass to George Brown&#8217;s tired and emotional reputation, some of our leaders&#8217; best, and worst, professional episodes have been carried out under the influence.<br />
Eddie Mair explores the history of drink in the corridors of power, and how social attitudes of what is, and isn&#8217;t, acceptable have changed from &#8217;squiffy&#8217; Asquith and William Pitt the Younger to the Liberal Democrat&#8217;s recent woes.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this was a hugely missed opportunity: shallow, &#8216;whimsical&#8217;, narrative history which never rose anywhere near the level of analysis.  Perhaps we should move into Anglo-Australian television production, Brett?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, &lt;em&gt;The Myth of the Blitz&lt;/em&gt; is a top book, and it&#039;s definitely an exemplar of the &quot;new&quot; military history. I quite enjoy the old sort, from time to time - but I don&#039;t think I&#039;d want to actually &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; it myself.

Dan&#039;s book hasn&#039;t turned up here yet, but as it happens I got impatient and ordered it from Amazon UK the other day! Which with my luck probably means it will be in the local bookshops next week, and cheaper too ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, <em>The Myth of the Blitz</em> is a top book, and it&#8217;s definitely an exemplar of the &#8220;new&#8221; military history. I quite enjoy the old sort, from time to time &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d want to actually <em>do</em> it myself.</p>
<p>Dan&#8217;s book hasn&#8217;t turned up here yet, but as it happens I got impatient and ordered it from Amazon UK the other day! Which with my luck probably means it will be in the local bookshops next week, and cheaper too &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right, Brett: myth as &#039;amusing&#039; protection/immunization against criticism of serious personality foibles/flaws - I&#039;ll be using that one.  

Incidentally, Calder&#039;s &#039;Myth of the Blitz&#039; is one of the most interesting books I&#039;ve ever read, and can perhaps be said to have changed my life.  The fact that my now PhD supervisor Dan Todman - of &#039;TrenchFever&#039; and &quot;The Great War: Myth &amp; Memory&quot; - set it as part of my MA course proved a major turning point for me.  It, and Dan, made me challenge my own prejudices against &quot;Military History&quot; (although the exceptions continue to prove the rule in that field, for me personally).  Over time, this became why, although we perhaps look like on odd match on paper, and I had more obvious and, er, &quot;senior&quot; candidates available, I specifically asked Dan to supervise me in writing a PhD on the &#039;mythic&#039; 1960s.

Has Dan&#039;s book reached Australia yet?  I would strongly recommend it: discursive yet narrative; empirical yet cultural; rational yet passionately engaged; about WWI (specifically the Western Front) yet far more universally relevant; and simply, accessibly and amusingly written.  If you haven&#039;t read it yet, I really think you should.  And he doesn&#039;t know I&#039;m saying this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, Brett: myth as &#8216;amusing&#8217; protection/immunization against criticism of serious personality foibles/flaws &#8211; I&#8217;ll be using that one.  </p>
<p>Incidentally, Calder&#8217;s &#8216;Myth of the Blitz&#8217; is one of the most interesting books I&#8217;ve ever read, and can perhaps be said to have changed my life.  The fact that my now PhD supervisor Dan Todman &#8211; of &#8216;TrenchFever&#8217; and &#8220;The Great War: Myth &amp; Memory&#8221; &#8211; set it as part of my MA course proved a major turning point for me.  It, and Dan, made me challenge my own prejudices against &#8220;Military History&#8221; (although the exceptions continue to prove the rule in that field, for me personally).  Over time, this became why, although we perhaps look like on odd match on paper, and I had more obvious and, er, &#8220;senior&#8221; candidates available, I specifically asked Dan to supervise me in writing a PhD on the &#8216;mythic&#8217; 1960s.</p>
<p>Has Dan&#8217;s book reached Australia yet?  I would strongly recommend it: discursive yet narrative; empirical yet cultural; rational yet passionately engaged; about WWI (specifically the Western Front) yet far more universally relevant; and simply, accessibly and amusingly written.  If you haven&#8217;t read it yet, I really think you should.  And he doesn&#8217;t know I&#8217;m saying this!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s precisely because of the Churchill myth that we tend to accept it as an amusing foible - as Angus Calder (I think) says regarding the Blitz, attempts to revise the myth tend not to subvert it but become incorporated into it (or else ignored altogether). So the great man had feet of clay? That just shows he was human, and makes his achievements all the more impressive. And so on. Whereas with Asquith, for example, I think we would tend to just shake our heads when we hear that he was visibly drunk when speaking to Parliament - Asquith doesn&#039;t have the mythical status to help prop him up (so to speak) that Churchill does. Nor does poor old Charles Kennedy ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s precisely because of the Churchill myth that we tend to accept it as an amusing foible &#8211; as Angus Calder (I think) says regarding the Blitz, attempts to revise the myth tend not to subvert it but become incorporated into it (or else ignored altogether). So the great man had feet of clay? That just shows he was human, and makes his achievements all the more impressive. And so on. Whereas with Asquith, for example, I think we would tend to just shake our heads when we hear that he was visibly drunk when speaking to Parliament &#8211; Asquith doesn&#8217;t have the mythical status to help prop him up (so to speak) that Churchill does. Nor does poor old Charles Kennedy &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One self-correction: Anthony Eden wasn&#039;t a drinker.  He was a heavy user of amphetemines; like that other, more famous, Kennedy, JF.  Richard Nixon, on the other hand, used virtually everything going while directing US activities in Vietnam...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One self-correction: Anthony Eden wasn&#8217;t a drinker.  He was a heavy user of amphetemines; like that other, more famous, Kennedy, JF.  Richard Nixon, on the other hand, used virtually everything going while directing US activities in Vietnam&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2006/01/12/the-liberal-landslide-of-1906/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only read the Thatcher comment in press reports about the current Charles Kennedy furore; something about frequently &#039;smelling whisky on her breath&#039;.  She wasn&#039;t a heavy drinker, but that&#039;s the point - it&#039;s now reached the stage where almost anything amounts to heavy drinking.  A la Ogden Nash (I think?), an alcoholic is indeed sometimes someone you don&#039;t like who drinks as much as you do.  

Yet, for reasons I can only summarize as chronic class-deference in this Old Country, we still seem to find the amount that Churchill, in particular, consumed to be an &#039;amusing&#039; part of the Churchill myth.  It is sometimes linked with his apparent &#039;battle&#039; with depression - but I&#039;ve never seen it suggested that the booze might have fuelled, not masked or &#039;medicated&#039; his depression...  Now don&#039;t misunderstand me: I&#039;m neither belittling the personal horror which is alcoholism, nor suggesting that we apply current values retrospectively and ahistorically.  But while we might accept that Churchill&#039;s consumption may have added to his &#039;Great Man&#039; status in the discourses of the time, why do we still seem happy to smile at that as part of his myth in _absolute_ terms?

As for applying censoriousness to our current &#039;leaders&#039;, I believe the turning point came at the end of the 80s/early 90s with the rise of the &#039;psychiatrization of everything&#039;, the &#039;Oprah-&#039; and &#039;Diana-fication&#039; of the public spheres, and the widespread use (and sometimes over-use) of Prozac.  The strange Blairite combination of puritanism and &#039;touch-feelyness&#039; is an extension of all of this; but then, I wrote my best 6,000 word MA paper on these last points.  As it is rather a hobbyhorse of mine, all highly inflammatory, and wildly off the topic of the 1906 Liberal landslide, I shall stop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only read the Thatcher comment in press reports about the current Charles Kennedy furore; something about frequently &#8217;smelling whisky on her breath&#8217;.  She wasn&#8217;t a heavy drinker, but that&#8217;s the point &#8211; it&#8217;s now reached the stage where almost anything amounts to heavy drinking.  A la Ogden Nash (I think?), an alcoholic is indeed sometimes someone you don&#8217;t like who drinks as much as you do.  </p>
<p>Yet, for reasons I can only summarize as chronic class-deference in this Old Country, we still seem to find the amount that Churchill, in particular, consumed to be an &#8216;amusing&#8217; part of the Churchill myth.  It is sometimes linked with his apparent &#8216;battle&#8217; with depression &#8211; but I&#8217;ve never seen it suggested that the booze might have fuelled, not masked or &#8216;medicated&#8217; his depression&#8230;  Now don&#8217;t misunderstand me: I&#8217;m neither belittling the personal horror which is alcoholism, nor suggesting that we apply current values retrospectively and ahistorically.  But while we might accept that Churchill&#8217;s consumption may have added to his &#8216;Great Man&#8217; status in the discourses of the time, why do we still seem happy to smile at that as part of his myth in _absolute_ terms?</p>
<p>As for applying censoriousness to our current &#8216;leaders&#8217;, I believe the turning point came at the end of the 80s/early 90s with the rise of the &#8216;psychiatrization of everything&#8217;, the &#8216;Oprah-&#8217; and &#8216;Diana-fication&#8217; of the public spheres, and the widespread use (and sometimes over-use) of Prozac.  The strange Blairite combination of puritanism and &#8216;touch-feelyness&#8217; is an extension of all of this; but then, I wrote my best 6,000 word MA paper on these last points.  As it is rather a hobbyhorse of mine, all highly inflammatory, and wildly off the topic of the 1906 Liberal landslide, I shall stop!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, yes, it&#039;s hard to imagine a boozer like Churchill being tolerated by the press these days! When did this censoriousness start? There have been period panics about working class drinking habits for a long time, of course, going back to gin palaces in the 18th century and the like, but as you say, the nation&#039;s leaders could get away with it. I would have guessed some time around the 60s ... when the press started to become less deferential to politicians and suchlike? (I guess I&#039;m thinking Profumo.) But if so, how did Thatcher (if she did indeed like to tipple) get away with it, in the era of the tabloids? Perhaps it came later then. Or maybe it&#039;s that it&#039;s tolerated as long as the drinker is successful as a leader, but if they start to slip it is latched onto as a convenient excuse to jettison them. 

I can&#039;t say there would be a similar issue here in Australia. But then, of course, our previous-PM-but-one (Bob Hawke) held the world&#039;s record for the fastest consumption of beer, which probably qualifies him to be a National Living Treasure :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, yes, it&#8217;s hard to imagine a boozer like Churchill being tolerated by the press these days! When did this censoriousness start? There have been period panics about working class drinking habits for a long time, of course, going back to gin palaces in the 18th century and the like, but as you say, the nation&#8217;s leaders could get away with it. I would have guessed some time around the 60s &#8230; when the press started to become less deferential to politicians and suchlike? (I guess I&#8217;m thinking Profumo.) But if so, how did Thatcher (if she did indeed like to tipple) get away with it, in the era of the tabloids? Perhaps it came later then. Or maybe it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s tolerated as long as the drinker is successful as a leader, but if they start to slip it is latched onto as a convenient excuse to jettison them. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say there would be a similar issue here in Australia. But then, of course, our previous-PM-but-one (Bob Hawke) held the world&#8217;s record for the fastest consumption of beer, which probably qualifies him to be a National Living Treasure :)</p>
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