Comments on: 21st century Charlton? http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/ Airpower and British society, 1908-1941 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:15:39 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/comment-page-1/#comment-62622 Brett Holman Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:42:58 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=80#comment-62622 Sorry, Joe, I don't -- maybe somebody else has an idea. Sorry, Joe, I don’t — maybe somebody else has an idea.

]]> By: Joe Froggatt http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/comment-page-1/#comment-62525 Joe Froggatt Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:04:48 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=80#comment-62525 Just heard the short programme on Radio 4 about this Canberra. Didn't say from where it was flying or the Squadron. Anyone know was it Luqa, sounds operationally reasonable, and which Squadron? Just heard the short programme on Radio 4 about this Canberra. Didn’t say from where it was flying or the Squadron. Anyone know was it Luqa, sounds operationally reasonable, and which Squadron?

]]> By: Frog in a Well - The Korea History Group Blog http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/comment-page-1/#comment-254 Frog in a Well - The Korea History Group Blog Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:11:46 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=80#comment-254 [...] In military history, a comparison between past and present objectors and Mark Grimsley returns to discussing counterfactuals [...] [...] In military history, a comparison between past and present objectors and Mark Grimsley returns to discussing counterfactuals [...]

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/comment-page-1/#comment-101 Brett Holman Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:23:50 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=80#comment-101 Fair enough - it was probably the most he could do short of bombing his own airfield! Fair enough – it was probably the most he could do short of bombing his own airfield!

]]> By: 21st century air control? | Airminded http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/comment-page-1/#comment-100 21st century air control? | Airminded Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:17:07 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=80#comment-100 [...] As Charlie Stross notes, this brings to mind British air control policies, in which bombers were used to pacify and control Iraq in the 1920s (which is what L.E.O. Charlton was criticising). [...] [...] As Charlie Stross notes, this brings to mind British air control policies, in which bombers were used to pacify and control Iraq in the 1920s (which is what L.E.O. Charlton was criticising). [...]

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/comment-page-1/#comment-99 Chris Williams Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:30:55 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=80#comment-99 Well, it's a pretty foolproof way of making sure that at least one Canberra spent the duration of the war seriously unservicable. Also a quite hardcore one: IIRC he had a load of fused bombs on board. I imagine that his observer had something to say about it, too. Well, it’s a pretty foolproof way of making sure that at least one Canberra spent the duration of the war seriously unservicable. Also a quite hardcore one: IIRC he had a load of fused bombs on board. I imagine that his observer had something to say about it, too.

]]> By: Brett Holman http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Brett Holman Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:41:49 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=80#comment-98 Oh dear, I haven't read <em>No Highway</em> ... I've seen the film though! Does that count? Pulling up the undercarriage doesn't seem like an effective way of covertly disobeying an order ... what happens when they repair the plane or give you another to fly? Knowing absolutely nothing about the case (or psychology, for that matter :), it does seem plausible that some sort of momentary "mental collapse" might have been involved for him to do that, even if he did have political/moral objections. Oh dear, I haven’t read No Highway … I’ve seen the film though! Does that count?

Pulling up the undercarriage doesn’t seem like an effective way of covertly disobeying an order … what happens when they repair the plane or give you another to fly? Knowing absolutely nothing about the case (or psychology, for that matter :), it does seem plausible that some sort of momentary “mental collapse” might have been involved for him to do that, even if he did have political/moral objections.

]]> By: Chris Williams http://airminded.org/2005/12/02/21st-century-charlton/comment-page-1/#comment-97 Chris Williams Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:08:56 +0000 http://airminded.org/?p=80#comment-97 A few years ago, I found, then then lost again, a set of references about an RAF officer who was court-martialled during/after the Suez war in 1956. As pilot of a Canberra about to bomb targets in Egypt, he pulled up the undercarriage before taking off from (I think) Luqa in Malta. He'd obviously read _No Highway_, like a good airminded chap. At the court-martial, his defence was keen to stress that this action was the result of mental collapse, and was not a political protest, although he'd been heard in the Mess beforehand opposing the operation. I think that he ended up with a year, but I'm not sure. A few years ago, I found, then then lost again, a set of references about an RAF officer who was court-martialled during/after the Suez war in 1956. As pilot of a Canberra about to bomb targets in Egypt, he pulled up the undercarriage before taking off from (I think) Luqa in Malta. He’d obviously read _No Highway_, like a good airminded chap.

At the court-martial, his defence was keen to stress that this action was the result of mental collapse, and was not a political protest, although he’d been heard in the Mess beforehand opposing the operation. I think that he ended up with a year, but I’m not sure.

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