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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-119795</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I did see that, Ian, and Nemesis isn&#039;t doing himself any favours here with that sort of talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I did see that, Ian, and Nemesis isn&#8217;t doing himself any favours here with that sort of talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Evans</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-119650</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a resident of perfidious Caledonia, I don&#039;t have any problem with being abused as an English speaker (&quot;See you Jimmy&quot;), but have we all become so polite (or enamoured of the&#039;30&#039;s) that we ignore casual anti-semitism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a resident of perfidious Caledonia, I don&#8217;t have any problem with being abused as an English speaker (&#8221;See you Jimmy&#8221;), but have we all become so polite (or enamoured of the&#8217;30&#8217;s) that we ignore casual anti-semitism?</p>
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		<title>By: JDK</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-119633</link>
		<dc:creator>JDK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Brett can have the accented &#039;Coanda&#039; in his text, but I can&#039;t in a reply.  Teach me to try and be clever with accents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Brett can have the accented &#8216;Coanda&#8217; in his text, but I can&#8217;t in a reply.  Teach me to try and be clever with accents.</p>
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		<title>By: JDK</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-119631</link>
		<dc:creator>JDK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aviation suffers from the &#039;not invented here&#039; (NIH) syndrome as much as most other areas of human endeavour and history.  

As a keen student of aviation&#039;s diversity, I find it fascinating how much the grand narrative changes when you travel from country to country.  Natives tend to write the history books, and there is a normal bias to the home team in that.  Meanwhile the imperial power of the time overlays their version of history and achievement.  But anyone can go looking for more depth and the parallel achievements, &#039;nearlys&#039; and also rans, and the internet is rich in such material, for those who bother to look beyond the first returns on any question. 

Thank you for the pointer to Traian Vuia, an interesting story.

I would politely suggest anyone aiming to enlist support and have their unique history and achievements and records recognised might best &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; start with &#039;For us ,all English spokers are the same .&#039;

It&#039;s also a common misconception that the honour, glory, and not least cash should go to the first or &#039;best&#039; in any field.  That might be just or in some way appropriate, but the reality remains that successful - by whatever means - remains the achievement that makes the difference.  

Coand? and von Ohan deserve the credit they get, but they were stopped short by timing and circumstance and (sadly perhaps) their achievements mis-measured.  However von Ohan&#039;s work did feed into the postwar jet development, but I remain unconvinced that Coand?&#039;s pioneering efforts had any actual direct heirs - as Brett says he was too early, and his work significantly different to the path jet development took decades later.  Coand?&#039;s aircraft and ideas are impressive and significant achievements, and it&#039;s good to acknowledge his work, of course.

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aviation suffers from the &#8216;not invented here&#8217; (NIH) syndrome as much as most other areas of human endeavour and history.  </p>
<p>As a keen student of aviation&#8217;s diversity, I find it fascinating how much the grand narrative changes when you travel from country to country.  Natives tend to write the history books, and there is a normal bias to the home team in that.  Meanwhile the imperial power of the time overlays their version of history and achievement.  But anyone can go looking for more depth and the parallel achievements, &#8216;nearlys&#8217; and also rans, and the internet is rich in such material, for those who bother to look beyond the first returns on any question. </p>
<p>Thank you for the pointer to Traian Vuia, an interesting story.</p>
<p>I would politely suggest anyone aiming to enlist support and have their unique history and achievements and records recognised might best <i>not</i> start with &#8216;For us ,all English spokers are the same .&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a common misconception that the honour, glory, and not least cash should go to the first or &#8216;best&#8217; in any field.  That might be just or in some way appropriate, but the reality remains that successful &#8211; by whatever means &#8211; remains the achievement that makes the difference.  </p>
<p>Coand? and von Ohan deserve the credit they get, but they were stopped short by timing and circumstance and (sadly perhaps) their achievements mis-measured.  However von Ohan&#8217;s work did feed into the postwar jet development, but I remain unconvinced that Coand?&#8217;s pioneering efforts had any actual direct heirs &#8211; as Brett says he was too early, and his work significantly different to the path jet development took decades later.  Coand?&#8217;s aircraft and ideas are impressive and significant achievements, and it&#8217;s good to acknowledge his work, of course.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Nemesis</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-119453</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for misunderstand. For us ,all English spokers are the same .
After 50 years under bolshevics rule, while we learned
that all great inventions were made by Russian scientists
now we are bombed on NGC, Discovery , Internet &amp;all media with stories where all (good) what does exist on
Earth is invented or made by some English blood genius.
(Or Juif by case ).
Did you ever heard of Traian Vuia ,the Romanian inventor
who designed ,build and flown his plane on Les Moullineux field ,near to Paris, in march 1906, first in the world ,with no ancillaries on the grund (like Wright brothers used to take off).?
He was delaied by a French guy who cheated him taking the money for a new engine and dissapearing for good...
He then build himself a CO2 engine instead.
Why I am so sensitive on this issue and seem to be so angry ?
Because I invented and patented the &quot;Regenerative Isotherm&quot; ,the &quot;Active Energy Storage&quot; and the THP Engine since 1992 and I offered them to all main car makers and energy industry ,but they are so pervert ,
like the Albion itself, that give me no replay but sure
steal the ideas.
The technologies were also offered to high governmental offices like DOE and EPA but they also keep silance like some thieves or gangsters.
Of course the patent laws are wrong and I cann&#039;t afford to pay lots of money for internationale fees and I only have Romanian patents and I cann&#039;t compete against the multinationale giants
operating militar and civil hugh governmental funds in their interest...
Look at &quot;ipo.gov.uk.&quot; ,click my name Ion Nemes and what you can find is just a title of one of my inventions,but without any content at all...
All those bastards play as I do not exist..they treat us as &quot;untermensch&quot; ,cursed their blood forever !
I suppose you know that the integrated intelligence surveillance system (total data  espionage) operates in common
brotherhood by UK(&amp;associates) and US...We are watched,heared and spied 24/24h and I can tuch my keyboard without fear to be stolen...
That is one  reason of my intervention .
Sorry if the truth is painful
Sincerely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for misunderstand. For us ,all English spokers are the same .<br />
After 50 years under bolshevics rule, while we learned<br />
that all great inventions were made by Russian scientists<br />
now we are bombed on NGC, Discovery , Internet &amp;all media with stories where all (good) what does exist on<br />
Earth is invented or made by some English blood genius.<br />
(Or Juif by case ).<br />
Did you ever heard of Traian Vuia ,the Romanian inventor<br />
who designed ,build and flown his plane on Les Moullineux field ,near to Paris, in march 1906, first in the world ,with no ancillaries on the grund (like Wright brothers used to take off).?<br />
He was delaied by a French guy who cheated him taking the money for a new engine and dissapearing for good&#8230;<br />
He then build himself a CO2 engine instead.<br />
Why I am so sensitive on this issue and seem to be so angry ?<br />
Because I invented and patented the &#8220;Regenerative Isotherm&#8221; ,the &#8220;Active Energy Storage&#8221; and the THP Engine since 1992 and I offered them to all main car makers and energy industry ,but they are so pervert ,<br />
like the Albion itself, that give me no replay but sure<br />
steal the ideas.<br />
The technologies were also offered to high governmental offices like DOE and EPA but they also keep silance like some thieves or gangsters.<br />
Of course the patent laws are wrong and I cann&#8217;t afford to pay lots of money for internationale fees and I only have Romanian patents and I cann&#8217;t compete against the multinationale giants<br />
operating militar and civil hugh governmental funds in their interest&#8230;<br />
Look at &#8220;ipo.gov.uk.&#8221; ,click my name Ion Nemes and what you can find is just a title of one of my inventions,but without any content at all&#8230;<br />
All those bastards play as I do not exist..they treat us as &#8220;untermensch&#8221; ,cursed their blood forever !<br />
I suppose you know that the integrated intelligence surveillance system (total data  espionage) operates in common<br />
brotherhood by UK(&amp;associates) and US&#8230;We are watched,heared and spied 24/24h and I can tuch my keyboard without fear to be stolen&#8230;<br />
That is one  reason of my intervention .<br />
Sorry if the truth is painful<br />
Sincerely</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-119297</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. A previous commenter already &lt;a href=&quot;http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-80892&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mentioned&lt;/a&gt; the air compression. 

2. I&#039;m not British.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. A previous commenter already <a href="http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-80892" rel="nofollow">mentioned</a> the air compression. </p>
<p>2. I&#8217;m not British.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemesis</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-119277</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Coanda jet engine was not an &quot;improvization&quot; how some people of the Perfid Albion like to believe !
There was not just a ducted fan but a radial compressor
in order to increase the air pressure before enter the combustion chambers .
In that times also ,an English company tried to buy the patent of an other original airplane Vlaicu from a Romanian inventor Aurel Vlaicu !
One of my ancestors sold to Vickers the invention of multi explosion chambers for guns and another Romanian inventor Gogu Constantinescu invented the synchron shooting thru the propeller blades using the &quot;sonicity&quot;.
If you wouldn;t sold us to the bolshevics (Churchill) at
Yalta ,we would one of the powerest nation in Europe
today !
I hope to see you for at least 50 years under communist rule too !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Coanda jet engine was not an &#8220;improvization&#8221; how some people of the Perfid Albion like to believe !<br />
There was not just a ducted fan but a radial compressor<br />
in order to increase the air pressure before enter the combustion chambers .<br />
In that times also ,an English company tried to buy the patent of an other original airplane Vlaicu from a Romanian inventor Aurel Vlaicu !<br />
One of my ancestors sold to Vickers the invention of multi explosion chambers for guns and another Romanian inventor Gogu Constantinescu invented the synchron shooting thru the propeller blades using the &#8220;sonicity&#8221;.<br />
If you wouldn;t sold us to the bolshevics (Churchill) at<br />
Yalta ,we would one of the powerest nation in Europe<br />
today !<br />
I hope to see you for at least 50 years under communist rule too !</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-88463</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I think I&#039;ve seen a photo of that somewhere. It&#039;d be very interesting if somebody tried to build a &lt;em&gt;flying&lt;/em&gt; replica ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I think I&#8217;ve seen a photo of that somewhere. It&#8217;d be very interesting if somebody tried to build a <em>flying</em> replica &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Emerg</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-88008</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Emerg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a full-size replica of this machine on display in the main terminal building of Romania&#039;s Bucharest airport, in which country it and its inventor&#039;s work are quite well-known and valued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a full-size replica of this machine on display in the main terminal building of Romania&#8217;s Bucharest airport, in which country it and its inventor&#8217;s work are quite well-known and valued.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Holman</title>
		<link>http://airminded.org/2005/10/07/jet-aircraft-of-the-belle-epoque/comment-page-1/#comment-80916</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Holman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
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